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09-10-2015 , 08:06 AM

Potbot

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 115

Tournament has a 2.5k starting stack

Blinds: 40/80

Hero: SB (8,500) AQhh
---I haven't been overly aggressive. I've shown down 2 hands at this table. AA & QQ

V1: CO (3,100)
- has been active. Has raised on the BTN last 3 orbits

V2: BTN (2,700)
-just joined the tournament in the last orbit and has been in 4/6 hands (limped 3 and raised 1)

Folds around to V1 and he min raises to 160.

V2 quickly 3 bets to 566

Hero: cold 4bets to 1,620.

Is this a bad spot to 4bet? How is my sizing?

Last edited by Potbot; 09-10-2015 at 08:13 AM.

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09-10-2015 , 08:45 AM

ibimon

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 998

little bit on the high variance IMO. Looks super strong in the sense that villains now have to shove or fold, bit I'd lean towards a call pre in a live setting, than pulling something like this.
Especially because it seems like v2 is limpy type, who's most likely a LPA, who only 3bets the top of the range.

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09-10-2015 , 09:03 AM

Potbot

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 115

I agree. High variance. But don't we need more hands in our 4bet range than just premiums (QQ+)?

Or is this situation going to come up so infrequently it's really not important to balance?

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09-10-2015 , 09:36 AM

ibimon

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personally I deviate from balancing in live setting until I'm at the table with the same villain/s for very long time. Long time is in a good setting, with good structure in multi day MTT. Turbos like these I just ABC the whole way, because the population in them can be just tackled in an exploitable manner.
It's like micro MTTs and micro cash, they're there not to fold, and they're there to play face up

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09-10-2015 , 01:57 PM

JayLaSoul

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Agree with view on ibi. Your kind a gambling, 3 bet bluffing ? Cause what if they decide to jam ? Is that really what you want ? Or was the raise to get them to fold?

You're most likely ahead but what if buttons 3 bet range is limited to hands that beat AQ or race with AQ .. In a tourney I like to just save money and put it in a better spot where you have total control . In this situation worst case they flat, you're now OOP possibly playing hands that are mining and possibly AK ?

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09-10-2015 , 03:01 PM

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centurion

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 115

Yes, intention was to get them to fold. I believe that I can get hands that are ahead of me to fold such as small/mid Pairs.

Isn't just calling the 3bet the worst option here? Because then I am gtd to be playing my hand OOP and I'm not the aggressor.

If I flat, we're almost certainly seeing the flop 3 ways in a 1.7k pot and both Vs are only left with a little more than a pot size bet.

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09-10-2015 , 03:04 PM

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centurion

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I'm not saying either of you are wrong. I'm just saying....if this is not a good chance to COLD 4bet "bluff" with a hand that holds a little bit of equity and blocks a couple of hands that have me crushed....what hands should we be cold 4bettong? Only AA & KK?

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09-11-2015 , 05:42 AM

ibimon

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I doubt you will play enough times/hands live with these same people to start balancing and needing to have 4bet bluffs in your range.

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09-13-2015 , 09:08 PM

gregz41

Carpal \'Tunnel

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Think you could just about flat vs that size. 4bet AQo seems good.

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09-14-2015 , 04:24 AM

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oldsilver

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,955

very poor relative position but this is way less than 10% of stack and we can afford to be a little speculative here. just call and see a flop.

no need to turn this into a bluff by 4betting.

balancing is the single most overrated concept in poker.

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09-14-2015 , 05:54 AM

#11

ibimon

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Originally Posted by oldsilver

balancing is the single most overrated concept in poker.

please keep this can of worms closed

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09-14-2015 , 07:53 AM

#12

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

Trivial jam pre as it looks weakest. If we could play a pot postflop with a higher spr I don't mind flatting. This pot however has already 30% of their stacksize as it comes to us.
BBs stacksize? I don't see him calling wider than 3% but might be relevant if we can 4b/f vs him

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09-14-2015 , 08:15 AM

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Potbot

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 115

BBs stack was 5k+ and was folding 100% if he moves in.

I did not want a call (or shove) but when I 4bet this....my plan was to cringe and press the call button, against CO/BTN

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09-14-2015 , 09:06 AM

#14

furo

deviation of equilibrium

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I would not 1.6k/f this vs a 5k stack in this scenario. Better jam yourself and make him fold identical strong hands and maybe AK/TT. Maybe JJ.
Or just make it 1.3kish in the first place

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09-14-2015 , 09:11 AM

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jungix

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Stacks are a bit awkward. We can't 4b/f to this sizing given villains have 2.7kand 3.1k. You price yourself to call a 39bb shove preante by 4 betting.

I'm surprised no one mentions folding as an option. We sit on the left of the loose passive fish which should provide plenty of good spots.

I have a hard time imagining a loose passive fish balancing their 3b range. This guy is never light and probably flats medium pairs and AJ. He might even flat AK/JJ. The sample is very small but this looks like a 60/12/2 villain kind of guy.

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09-14-2015 , 09:43 AM

#16

betgo

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Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 28,590

So this is preante and some donk who has been limping half the hands 3bs 3.5x. Can we just give him credit and fold AQs?

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09-14-2015 , 01:25 PM

#17

Potbot

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 115

Thanks for all of the advice. I agree that I did butcher the hand a bit.

Luckily I got away with one here and both folded. OR claims be folded AK in the chat...

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09-14-2015 , 09:27 PM

#18

betgo

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Some of you guys are overboard with this GTO approach. You have some donk on a US site 3-betting big early levels. Absolutely horrible to gii with AQs here. You are almost always dominated.

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09-14-2015 , 09:52 PM

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rooooktaker

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Originally Posted by betgo

Some of you guys are overboard with this GTO approach. You have some donk on a US site 3-betting big early levels. Absolutely horrible to gii with AQs here. You are almost always dominated.

R u drunker than me? or is this the most contrasting post ever

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09-14-2015 , 10:09 PM

#20

betgo

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Originally Posted by rooooktaker

R u drunker than me? or is this the most contrasting post ever

Not drunk. It is different from gii for 30xBB is later stages than in early stages with no ante against a likely donk who isn't likely bluffing.

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09-16-2015 , 05:35 AM

#21

ByronSiren

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[QUOTE=JayLaSoul;48072242]Agree with view on ibi. Your kind a gambling, 3 bet bluffing ? Cause what if they decide to jam ? Is that really what you want ? Or was the raise to get them to fold?

Lol, what if they jam? Beat them into the pot. Holy ****.

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09-18-2015 , 12:36 AM

#22

Balungalo

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At first thought, folding doesnt even come to mind, but it isnt terrible. Yeah, it feels hella knitty, but like you said... these are all recreational players and it is very early. If you feel like you have an edge, fold. You can find better spots along with having more info.

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09-19-2015 , 02:31 PM

#23

OutPlayU27

old hand

Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,688

Flat or fold

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