I wanted to get some outside perspectives on this hand. What is your move here and why? I realize that it is very situational but I had very little info on villain as I had just moved to the table. I have not played with him before and do not know much about him. The hand folds to me and I raise from button...

seat 1: ( 39,774 )
seat 2: ( 18,678 )
seat 4: hero ( 31,278 )
seat 6: ( 28,655 )
seat 7: villain ( 48,691 )
seat 8: ( 13,380 )
seat 9: ( 54,032 )
Trny:105078772 Level:11

Blinds-Antes(500/1,000 -100)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero[ Kc, 9d ]
hero raises [ 2,200 ]
villain calls [ 1,200 ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 9h, Kd ]
villain checks
hero bets [ 3,100 ]
villain calls [ 3,100 ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
villain checks
hero bets [ 5,900 ]
villain is all-In [ 43,291 ]

Pot at this point is 36,678 and I have 19,978.
Call or Fold?

call gg

call and quite happy about it

First impulse says call. But a very interesting board when combined with the action.

There's not a lot of hands he could have. 99 makes the most sense, but I guess he'll shown up with AQ, AJ, or a random kamikaze bluff often enough to call. Not thrilled by any means.

Thanks for the replies... Needless to say I did call and he showed A9o. At the time I thought he may have spiked a 3 with 33 or turned a 4 flush. AK would have likely 3 bet me pre but I neglected to consider a higher 2 pair; even A3 maybe. If i had more info it would have made the decision a bit easier. One more question though... is it too nitty to take k9 out of my range here?

i voted call as well - that he showed with A9 is *****ty but I think the call was right. Hindsight is 20/20 but did you consider jamming the turn - giving him room to fold assuming you had 33 or even (though not likely based on the action KK or 99)? Most likely he calls anyway having you covered..I do think it's possible that taking K9 out of your raising range there is a thought worth considering, but i'm more apt to lean nit over aggro.

Sequence is totally consistent with plenty of hands that you beat here and considering what you've already committed to the pot, I can't imagine getting away from this one.

Yep am calling

I'd call and feel indifferent about it.

Call but definitely not a fist pump snap call...very often this I'd A9, A3, or Ax turning FD....so we're about even money

I tanked for a minute or 2 but came to around the same conclusion. I guess it's just a cooler

2 pr and 30BB, you're going broke.

it's gross tho, because I don't see any draws or worse 2 pr. (what fd's can he have??)

your hand is actually relatively weak once he c/r's turn, but there's just enough AQ-AT etc in his range to force a call.

Oldsilver you are right I do not see worse 2 pair here other than a very loosely played K3. As far as fds though I can think of at least 2 that hit his range here JT + QT clubs. With his chips I don't think it's unreasonable to think he floated me with either of these hands and then check shove the turn when he improves to a 2nd or 3rd nut draw with a gutter.

How does he c/c flop with either jtcc or qtcc?

Thinking about this hand further, what if I check behind on the turn to preserve showdown value and exercise pot control? Am I losing too much value here when he has a hand that I beat? Or is it better to check turn, call river. My rationale being that if I check behind he thinks his inferior Ax is good and bets for value on river where I can call and pick up the pot but at the same time I think he also bets his better 2 pair hands for value as well in which case I can call and lose far less chips.

I am not saying it's a good c/c flop by him but I get floated by hands like this fairly often at least for one street I.e. Broadway gutter with backdoor fd, him just putting me on air, or more common not even thinking about what hand I have.

he places the chips in the middle or says call....but seriously he has a gut shot and back door flush draw....how does he not call?


To everyone saying call what hands are we beating? He's always doing this with sets and better 2 pairs and almost never doing it with one pair hands we beat. Best we can hope is he is going nuts with Kxcc and even then he has a decent amount of equity. I think getting it in here because "we have 2 pair" is pretty basic poker.

I think this is a spot where we are not getting 3 streets of value from a worse hand and think checking the turn with the intention of calling or betting most rivers may be another way to play the hand. Once he c/r's the turn I really think we have to fold.

I think it would be important to know if this was a 22 year old with head phones or a 68 year old. I know you said you just got to the table but age may have a bit of influence in the hand for me.

This hand is a similar example of the beluga theorem. ..has the same value as AK does on A975ss. Turn x/r puts our hand in the weak category. I guess based on that theory we can fold.

So what do you think about checking back turn and.....

calling most rivers if he leads out

betting most rivers with if he checks and folding to a c/r depending on what the river was

I think this still allows us to get value from weaker hands and will let us get away cheaply if he has us beat.

Agreed, checking back turn allows us to extract from ace rags OTR that he may fold OTT.

That's the same conclusion I reached after discussing the hand here. If i check back the turn I think he river bets for value given that I slowed down after he called my c bet.
I don't think he jams the river if I check the turn and if he does I can easily fold unless I spike a K on the river.
This was also online so no idea if he was 68 or 22

So is the the Bovada 10k ? I thought this was a live tournament when I saw Borgata

No I live in NJ. We have legal online poker run through the casinos in AC; Borgata, Party Poker, 888, WSOP, Betfair, and Ultimate. Not a ton of traffic but some good games nevertheless.

I agree with the people saying that it's not that easy of a call. No offense, but reasonings like "30 BB, 2-pair, gg" are very mediocre imo. You need to look at the board (very important aspect in that one), at the action, at the opponent etc. Some one-pair holdings can be happy calls for 50 BB, some 2-pair holdings can be folded with 30 BB. If you think otherwise, we need to let the machines play for us.

What kind of fish would try to represent what kind of hands to try and fold out what kind of holdings? If I put myself in vilain's shoes here, am I more likely to think "this guy bets flop and turn, I'm sure I can give up my showdown equity that I had on the flop ('cause I called), represent a very big hand and make him fold his strong ace?", or "this guy bets flop and turn, I'm sure he won't fold to my value raise?". I'm putting 90% in the second category here at least. It's not like we're at the EPT and a pro is spotting the fact that the other guy is an absolute nit who would slowplay the nuts but fold his top pair good kicker anytime. Let's stay humble. I guess he could also just value-raise with AQ or AJ, but I consider that pretty unlikely as well.
Anyway, with a 2-pair hand like A3 I would maybe call here, but K9 doesn't beat any value-raises on the turn (except K3 or 93.....) and there are far too few bluffs and semi-bluffs out there imo.

Check turn seemed result oriented to me at first glance, but it actually makes sense. Can't make up my mind on that one.

AK is really discounted due to pre flop, we have blockers to two sets, a flush draw just came in. All reasons to call!