Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t125/t250 Blinds + t25 - 7 players
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MP: t3430
CO: t11570
BTN: t14295
Hero (SB): t9011
BB: t8527
UTG: t10140
UTG+1: t11155

Pre Flop: (t550) Hero is SB with A A
3 folds, CO raises to t750, 1 fold, Hero raises to t2500, 1 fold, CO calls t1750

Flop: (t5425) 8 T Q (2 players)
Hero bets t6486 all in, CO calls t6486



This is the hand I got cracked about a minute ago. I am in the downswing now, and loss alot to coin flip, and 3,2 outer situations. Raiser has playing aggressive so far by raising some pots, and I have reraise him once before. When the flop comes out, I know that this is heavy draw board and he should have a piece of of the flop so I just shove in to pretend weak and try to get full value if he does hit the flop, and u guys probably know the rest.... Anyway, my question is that will u guys go for the long ball or small ball??does downswing affect your play because u want to be more careful?. I was thinking that if I play small bal by c-betting the flop he might just shove at me. But, if he does just call and a harmless card comes on the turn then I shove, that might avoid his drawing hand. Is this the hand I am just destiny to go broke?

thought this was gonna be a thread about Bond 18...sketchy advertising IMO

as to the hand...shoving flop is meh..just bet 2900 and call a shove...or if he is aggro post check and shove over his bet...

we are not going anywhere and he he has 88 it is a cooler....same with Q10 sooooted

I would be about 3225 on the flop and then shove turn but i dont see anything wrong with your line you just got unlucky you are destined to go broke right here

you have aces and less than 40 blinds.

gg. nh.

ul.

Going broke is right but shoving the flop sucks.

considering the history and bad luck you've had, I think the shove on flop is more likely to get called by worse hand, it looks like ak buying. Don't worry about it, no way you're getting away, shove (or c/r an aggro, like stated above) and get sucked out on by KQ =(

why shoving the flop sucks?? explain?? o.O?? I know there are many ways to play the hand but u got to have your reasons why?

Shoving flop is fine surely given a half pot bet on the flop leaves us with a 1/4 pot bet on the turn

nah.. he has (K,Jo)... now I am on tilt after think about it again

I agree.. You got him to make a donkey call with KJo.. Just unlucky

We don't want villian to fold, we want him to make a pot committing call.

you are missing the point...if we shove we fold out most of his range we beat. We are getting it in anyway so we want to do it in a way that maximizes the value we get from worse hands...

If he is aggro we can c/r...if not we can bet 1/2 pot and just shove any turn...

shoving the flop just wastes the AA here

thats just silly and results oriented...how about the times he has 99 or JJ or AJ or other hands that he will bluff or value raise with if we give him the slightest illusion of FE...

I disagree that it folds out everything that we want to call. I am guessing that we get called lighter when we overshove when villain puts us on a whiffed AK.

I am going to be more concerned with a smaller bet that looks like it wants a call than one that is overshoving the pot albeit not by much also the board is so wet and there are so many draws that complete on the turn that I personally prefer to get it in now

Villain never believes that he has FE if we bet any amount the point is moot given we will be getting 5/1.

Also if we are go and going here what are we doing on this flop?

I like your line here. the reraise pf is good and the flop is drawy. get it in there. You just got unlucky here I take it.

The reason I want to overshove on the flop because I figure he might call me light since this is the second time I reraise him and the board seems to be his favour. But, chek/raise is definitely another way to get him pot committed.

Im with dereds on this one.. the over bet looks weak.. and takes away a tough decision post flop if danger cards come

I dont like shoving the flop. People LOVE to make the last bet, let villain make the last bet and get your chips in.

No I really think you made the correct play here. A stop -n go with AA is always a profitable line, and I really like it on the drawy board. If he is drawing you have overpriced him and gotten your value pf, or, you force him to make a mistake by calling if he is only 36%. Nothing you can do about it if you lose. That's poker.

sigh...you guys are missing the point
we are not getting away if the draw hits...we are not worried about protection given the action and our stack to pot size...our only mandatory job is to get as many of his chips into the pot as possible with whatever line gets us to that point

What if the ace hits the turn? It would be really hard to get away from anyway at that point IMO.

is that a serious question...we are worried about hitting top set cause it is the second nuts with most of our stack being in the pot?

I mean really? It's a 3 bet pot...we are going to have a ahrd time putting him on an exact hand so yeah there will be some scarey cards but we are still thinking value rather than are we beat

I didn't realize the flush draw was out there giving even more draws. I just thought it was the up and down straight draw. That makes me look a little silly...

I think your line is good. Shoving the flop is good with these stack sizes and the somewhat manic opponent.

Staying alive and accumulating chips is more important than trying to milk the maximum out of every hand (at the risk of going bust).

You are also sending a message to allcomers that they should stay out of your way.

If you pot it and get a call then we give villain a chance to suck out on us...

if you pot it thinking that you'll get it all in on the turn no matter what card comes then you are actually giving villain implied odds to call on a strong draw. According to Slkansky's theory, every time villain makes a mistake we are winning.