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12-16-2012 , 06:39 PM

gregz41

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I have a clean image, quite tight. Cbet a possibly marginal spot three ways but there are some good cards to barrel etc. So planned to give up on that turn but then get a river card that's not in his range etc..

You pulling the trigger? He's 12/7 over a small sample.

Poker Stars, $50 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 40 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15014631

BTN: 7,112 (23.7 bb)
SB: 5,010 (16.7 bb)
BB: 7,146 (23.8 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): 11,850 (39.5 bb)
UTG+2: 14,868 (49.6 bb)
MP1: 9,860 (32.9 bb)
MP2: 4,191 (14 bb)
MP3: 6,768 (22.6 bb)
CO: 5,797 (19.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A

Hero raises to 600, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 600, 5 folds, BB calls 300

Flop: (2,310) 9

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,088, MP1 folds, BB calls 1,088

Turn: (4,486) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (4,486) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero... (5.5keffective)

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12-16-2012 , 07:58 PM

DkWted

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not on this turn, c/ evaluate river now

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12-16-2012 , 09:30 PM

Elephants_pride

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That texture hits bb range hard considering price he was getting pre and you rep KQ only, right? Maybe, AJ.

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12-16-2012 , 11:10 PM

gregz41

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What broadway cards is he calling the flop with lol?

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12-16-2012 , 11:14 PM

federigol

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think of a range he calls flop with and then think about wether he'll fold that to a river bet
ppl don't fold 7s or 98s in those spots

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12-17-2012 , 12:12 AM

Elephants_pride

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Originally Posted by gregz41

What broadway cards is he calling the flop with lol?

Guess you`d better keep barreling ott (though yeah it`s spewy). After you checked it you remove lots of combos from your value range, obv...
if he was tight with fold button it might work often enough, but you know stationy guys would sooner level themselves into thinking you`re checking AK-AQ ott and turn A-high in a bluff otr on coordinated board.

His range? -- I think he`s full on 9x and some 88,77.

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12-17-2012 , 12:15 AM

gregz41

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When I check back on the turn it kind of makes my range broadway cards and this specific river improves a lot of them. He had a chance to lead out for value on the river with strong hands and he didn't.

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12-17-2012 , 01:39 AM

lissistinkt

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comone hes 12/7 in the bigger 55
doubt he is thinking that much

shoving river is nice as he has a lot of lowpairs and 12/7 seems kinda scared

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12-17-2012 , 02:06 AM

sunnydunerz

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turn is like a psb? just jam turn

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12-17-2012 , 05:46 AM

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mashxx

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Originally Posted by lissistinkt

comone hes 12/7 in the bigger 55
doubt he is thinking that much

shoving river is nice as he has a lot of lowpairs and 12/7 seems kinda scared

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Originally Posted by sunnydunerz

turn is like a psb? just jam turn

either way should be fine, my preference would be otr most likely

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12-18-2012 , 12:12 AM

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gregz41

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He folded and I am amazing.

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12-18-2012 , 12:17 AM

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Elephants_pride

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Originally Posted by gregz41

He folded and I am amazing.

good

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12-18-2012 , 08:44 AM

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pablito_21

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It's only a good spot cause people don't handread very well and only think 'zomg overcards', not really a good spot in itself because river card helped your range more than his or something.

So yeah, shove vs a 12/7 but not vs NSB.

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12-18-2012 , 11:33 AM

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gregz41

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By checking back that turn doesn't my range become much stronger on this river?

Like if I had 88 vs a b/c/b line here, would be snap folding.

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12-18-2012 , 11:45 AM

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pablito_21

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What value hands are in your bet/check/shove range on this runout?

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12-18-2012 , 11:50 AM

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gregz41

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KQ, KJs and AJ, hard to tell if he thinks I open lighter than this but that's 40 combos, he has to think I do this with AQ/AK every time to call a pair.

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12-18-2012 , 12:45 PM

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Keeper1125

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wp his range is capped at A9

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12-19-2012 , 04:42 AM

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pablito_21

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Originally Posted by gregz41

KQ, KJs and AJ, hard to tell if he thinks I open lighter than this but that's 40 combos, he has to think I do this with AQ/AK every time to call a pair.

That's more than I thought but that is also assuming you always play flop and turn the same with these hands (always c-bet, never shove when you turn a gutshot, ...) and never bet ~2k with them OTR instead of shoving. But OTOH I guess you could have JT/J9 too, so there's that.

Also disagree that a good player's range is capped in this spot (can have T9/J9/sets), but for a 12/7 this might very well be the case.

I guess I just think a good player will be like 'meh, I rarely have anything strong here, gotta call my bluffcatchers somewhat often', while a 12/7 will just go 'OMG, a nine, a TEN, AND a JACK??!! gotta fold my 88'.

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12-19-2012 , 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pablito_21

I guess I just think a good player will be like 'meh, I rarely have anything strong here, gotta call my bluffcatchers somewhat often', while a 12/7 will just go 'OMG, a nine, a TEN, AND a JACK??!! gotta fold my 88'.

I feel offended.

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12-19-2012 , 12:50 PM

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iBluffdedYou

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Originally Posted by pablito_21

What value hands are in your bet/check/shove range on this runout?

yeah it doesn't make sense really but if villain has 77, 88 here then its so hard to call it off whether it makes sense or not, and with 12/7, he obviously doesn't want to get involved with marginal spots like that

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12-19-2012 , 02:54 PM

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paralyzedsquirrel

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I don't think you get much more fold equity from a jam then from a 2/3 pot bet verse this player. But I would bet here verse this tight player. He likely has AQ beat, (unless he has 3,4) so betting is likely the only way to win, and betting should work here atleast 50% of thine.

nh

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12-20-2012 , 07:50 AM

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furo

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Originally Posted by pablito_21

What value hands are in your bet/check/shove range on this runout?

with these SPR and a totally rainbow/non connected board we can check strong hands OTT to induce action OTR. like there will not be alot of hands that call down but dont bet the river for value

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12-20-2012 , 03:47 PM

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daviid

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greg, how much did u bet otr?

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12-20-2012 , 05:18 PM

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iceviper

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Originally Posted by Keeper1125

wp his range is capped at A9

+1

I love jamming rivers in these spots against these villains. They're never really thinking that deep and they're folding a ton.

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12-20-2012 , 09:39 PM

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gregz41

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Originally Posted by daviid

greg, how much did u bet otr?

All of my betting discs sir.

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