I am really having problems deciding if image really matters in a $22 freezout. Basically i have played a 7/5/2 style for the last 60 hands. I know Capable Villans are stealing my blinds and i am not fighting back. The villan in this hand is playing 35/24/7 but i dont think his 3bet is accurare because it is not a big enough sample. Would anybody 3b/F here?

wiht ur image u played this just fine. No I would never 3b/f AQ to that guy.

MSMTT doesnt believe in image btw. I do but I give randoms more credit.

Thanks Chuck. I was kind of thinking the same thing.

please to explain

720/call seems fine

agree

and with your image you should 3bshove way wider OP vs everyone decent
i sometimes have your stats as well in that samplesize and would shove like ~25% of hands in this spot.

Nh 3b shove > 3b/c imo as the nitty image + 24bb stack looks like your begging for action. Also, I'm never 3b folding this stack size but will be shoving decently wide so I want to balance my bluffs.

Would anyone advocate a Go-Go play here instead?

we're in position and we can't

3b/f AQ 25bb's is a bit of a disaster and using your image as a reason to is a reason to not consider image

3b/c is fine shoving is ok anything that includes folding really isn't

I think my position on image/balance/assuming randoms are more likely to be competent than they are droolers, etc is pretty well-known to forum regs so I am assuming you are referring to the 1st half of my statement?

Just read through 15-20 random threads in msmtt that have at least 35 posts and this should be apparant. Its clear that the forum as a whole doesnt think u need balance and that image is over-rated because randoms cant/wont adjust and the regs are playing so many tables that they arent paying close enough attn.

Im not saying Im right and the forum is wrong--I was just answering OP's title question. I am aware of my leak in this regard.

Think it's sensible to mix it up a bit vs regs, particularly deep in MTT's, late in the day or when they might be paying more attention for some reason, but otherwise think you're 100% right.

shove >> 3b/c given reads

740/call

What is the argument for 3b/call > 3b shove?
I would argue shoving is better because we balance our bluff shoving range with our value range.

That his opening range is so wide you take out any opportunity for him to make a mistake and 4b shove worse.

your image doesn't really matter, he's never folding worse

the point is we have a nit image--hes never shoving worse after we small 3b an ep open. What 3b small does is allow him to make the one mistake that could hurt us which is flatting and making a pair.

you mean better, correct?

yeah, this is the same scenario why like minning AK w/ like 14bbs sucks in these fields as well etc

lol, yeah I meant better TC

Excellent guys thanks for your help. FWIW he had 55 and a 60BB stack so he was just in the gambling mood. Can't say I mind that at all.

Image only matters when it matters. Why do you say "we have a nit image"? Not saying we don't, but our stats don't dictate our image.

An image, in this sense, isn't a physical or objective entity with solid properties. It's a reputation. Whether our reputation with an individual is accurate with the pattern we've presented to them requires further evidence than simply what we've presented to them. We need evidence that this particular individual is the the type to use what we've presented to him as evidence to alter his perception of us. Then, we can describe what our image is.

A player's success, MTT history, experience is a good indicator, but randoms are random. The random low-stakes tournament player may be conscious of pegging players as loose/tight/aggro/passive, but whether or not they can be alert of anything past aggression, let alone dictate their play on evidence presented really is a bit of a throw up, outside of generalizations.

guess im wrong then--cuz thems a lot of words

If we had AT or even AJ, does anyone prefer a flat here? We are in position and if we give the villain some credit he shouldn't be getting 25bbs in vs us with worse.

Id prolly fold AT and jam AJ. And Id prolly think I was a nit for folding the AT

I don't think inducing will be that effective with this stack size + our image. It might sometimes have the opposite effect than we intend. Balance seems a lot more important imo.