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03-20-2011 , 09:38 PM
What line do you think will maximize the value of this hand?

The BB in particular has been very active/aggressive.


    Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: 9,855 (98.6 bb)
    SB: 7,610 (76.1 bb)
    BB: 8,809 (88.1 bb)
    UTG+1: 5,865 (58.7 bb)
    UTG+2: 2,915 (29.2 bb)
    MP1: 2,550 (25.5 bb)
    MP2: 6,596 (66 bb)
    Hero (MP3): 6,350 (63.5 bb)
    CO: 2,350 (23.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7 7
    4 folds, Hero raises to 250, CO calls 250, 2 folds, BB calls 150

    Flop: (800) 7 A K (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero ???

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    03-20-2011 , 09:39 PM
    Yes def bet
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    03-20-2011 , 10:15 PM
    Bet all the way
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    03-20-2011 , 10:17 PM
    There's an ace, a king, and a fd - what more do you need to build a pot?
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    03-21-2011 , 12:05 AM
    Just wondered if anyone would like to make the argument that with two others calling the pfr, one of them ought to be interested in the flop and willing to bet it, especially if I check with an AK on the board. If the CO sees two checks, he might try to take it down right there. Even if he just bets something reasonable, it's likely the BB will call if he caught anything.

    I hate to risk giving a free card with that flush draw showing. And it would so like js to drop a T on the turn and have one of them holding QJ.

    As it turned out, I bet 1/2 the pot (400) and the other two quickly folded. With that board and my catching a set - with two opponents - I was really hoping to get more out of it. I guess that's the way it goes sometimes.
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    03-21-2011 , 01:11 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Big Slick Racing
    Just wondered if anyone would like to make the argument that with two others calling the pfr, one of them ought to be interested in the flop and willing to bet it, especially if I check with an AK on the board. If the CO sees two checks, he might try to take it down right there. Even if he just bets something reasonable, it's likely the BB will call if he caught anything.

    I hate to risk giving a free card with that flush draw showing. And it would so like js to drop a T on the turn and have one of them holding QJ.

    As it turned out, I bet 1/2 the pot (400) and the other two quickly folded. With that board and my catching a set - with two opponents - I was really hoping to get more out of it. I guess that's the way it goes sometimes.
    this makes it sound like you are hoping for him to bluff, which i doubt will happen a whole lot on this flop. if you all check around i can see this logic on the turn, but here, if they have a good hand, they will continue. anything that will bet here will call or raise imo.
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    03-21-2011 , 01:21 AM
    Yeah. Not much you can do when that happens.. Need to bet though, can't let them outdraw you, make them pay for the privilege.

    Definitely follow these instructions to maximize the hand like any good player.

    1. Bet in to it

    2. If opponent(s) calls
    [x] fist pump
    [x] bet more & profit
    [x] chat villain tell him how much of a donkey ball eater he is

    3. If opponent(s) fold
    [x] violently tear keyboard from the desk (don't even unplug it first, just rip it out)
    [x] throw it to the ground
    [x] jump on it
    [x] Piss on it
    [x] Set it on fire
    [x] Replace keyboard

    4. Next hand
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    03-21-2011 , 01:30 AM
    On those board textures AKx, AQx, KQx QJx and im holding XX for a set if im the first out on the flop im always making a a very fishy and weird PSB to induce action from Ax, Kx and Qx type hands and get max value out of my hand, i prefer playing it this way than getting action from draws.
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    03-21-2011 , 01:43 AM
    My god that is the most beautiful flop to have against two callers and bet it all the way.

    Don't be results oriented becasue they folded. Highly unikely any card would come on the turn that would get them too much interested, since they quickly folded to your flop bet.
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    03-21-2011 , 03:44 AM
    Bet it! No question.
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    03-21-2011 , 04:59 AM
    I like a bet on the flop and a check on the turn because EVERYOOOOONE floats IP. c/r the turn ez game.
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    03-21-2011 , 11:18 AM
    Ok - so everyone agrees to bet the flop because hands that didn't hit likely aren't going to suddenly be made on the turn unless they now beat me (a flush) and hands that did hit the flop will at least call.

    So - how much to bet? I've heard a suggestion for ~PSB to look like a fish who's just trying to grab it and hope for a response.

    Any other ideas?
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    03-21-2011 , 11:53 AM
    500-600 imo, cuz it sets up a perfect pot to get it in vs the CO ott and vs the BB by the river.

    Btw Idk why you consider a psb fishy; imo it would be more fishy to bet very small, but that's not what you wanna do cuz you shouldn't offer too good drawing odds (esp vs BB), so ~2/3 pot seems quite appropriate.
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    03-21-2011 , 04:53 PM
    1/2 pot OTF
    3/4 pot OTT
    Shove the river
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    03-21-2011 , 04:55 PM
    dream flop. definitely bet.
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    03-21-2011 , 04:56 PM
    sorry they both folded...
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    03-22-2011 , 03:37 PM
    I've been messing with the 1/3 pot/little under 1/2 pot with monsters. Villains tend to spaz quite a bit.
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    03-22-2011 , 05:00 PM
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    Originally Posted by jf209
    I've been messing with the 1/3 pot/little under 1/2 pot with monsters. Villains tend to spaz quite a bit.
    Agree to some extent but moreso depends on the villain I think.

    If you know they're a reg or TAG you may get better results with min raising because they almost always reraise fairly large if they have a hand (and most competent players HATE min raisers and want to punish them). Then you can flat the reraise and do it again on the turn.

    On the other side, if the villain knows you're a thinking reg then they may know that you sometimes min raise big hands and just fold out, but if they have an A they will almost alway at least call or reraise.

    I tend to like half pot or just min raise here. Never check the big hand.

    At lower stakes if they have something they will call or reraise, but they won't always bet if they have something because they watch poker on TV and they think it's good to trap someone. Thus, to build the pot you always have to bet in this situation.
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