Okay so I am 100% certain that CNET adjusted is completely useless in 6 max HT SNGs and should not be used. I have been running below CNET adjusted constantly eventhough I was doing more or less correct calls based on ICM.

Today something happened that made me believe that CNET adjusted is useless. I was left in heads up situation and after second hand the other player went AFK and was sitting out. Blinds were around 150 and his stack was around 1300. It took 5-6 hands for him to lose all his stack and me to receive the first place price. When I checked my winning of the sessions with and without cnet adjusted I saw a big difference like always, but what I saw was that I received 0$ from my last hand due to cnet adjusted not calculating non all-in. This means that eventhough I won without going all-in CNET adjusted did not account for this and so I got another 5.xx$ difference.

Considering the main thing I learned from ICM values is that you push far wider then you call with. For example: 3 players left, 1000 stacks, 100 blind. SB should be pushing around 80% and BB should be calling 22% of hands. This means majority of equity and gain will come from non all-in hands and once you will be in all-in situation you will most likely be behind and cnet adjusted will mark you as a loser.

From now on I will not use CNET adjusted anymore to focus on whether I am running lucky or not. I will purely focus on ICM values and see whether my action is right or wrong.

Hey guys, i was about to start a thread with my question and then i bumped into this one. I figured that what i'm searching for might be somewhere lost in the infinite number of topics but i don't know where to start searching.
Question is: i'm looking for what are the acceptable numbers for a STT SNG regular in terms of ROI and gameplay stats like steals, fold blinds to steal, 3bet, fold to 3bet and so on. where can i find them?

Pretty broad question. What game, what stakes? What do you mean by acceptable numbers. Do you mean unfiltered stats and unadjusted ROI?

Main thing youll see in decent players is a smallash gap between pfr and vpip. At least some kind of fold to 3b, steal 35%+, decent 3b. Its so dependent on the game and the situation. And a lot of those stats arent going to converge for tens of thousands of hands and stats unfiltered by number of players and stack size can be next to useless.

There really isnt some quick guide to how to read HUD stats. You just have to learn it from experience and/or coaching.

Hi guys,
want to start grinding my way up with SnG's on Stars and building a BR for cash games(NL50 is the goal).
Right now I'm in the "finding my way" stage. I was fooling around a bit trying regular speed full-ring,6man and HUSNGs. 6man and HU got my interest on the 3.5$ buy-ins so far.

But as there are so many formats on Stars, should I consider playing other formats that have higher reward I dont know of? Like Knockouts or something (even though those are full-ring).

thanks

I am as beginner as beginner gets. I apologize if I'm asking the wrong question at the wrong location with the wrong lingo, but I googled for some help and I ended up here and this looked like the place to ask.

I was playing a tournament with neighbors this weekend and I got knocked out on a hand that I don't know how I should have played.

5 players at the table. I had $2500, one other guy had $2500, the others around $1000.

Small blind = $50. Big Blind = $100.

Blinds double every 15 minutes.

I was on the button. Got dealt KK.

The player to my right raised $100.
I raised him $300 (to $500)
He raised me $500 (to $1000)
I went all in - he called.

He had AA and beat my KK. I was out.

When playing a tournament, is it best to just call there or maybe even fold just to stay alive?

Thanks and sorry for the newb question.

in general, when you want advice, you need to provide some infos about tendencies of villian(poker lingo for opponent).

To your question. in this specific scenario there is no way around it. every one has 25 or 10BB. get it in. villian had only 10bb so put him all in. i dont think i could fold KK preflop in a tourney. to often ppl tend to go all in with AQ,AK,JJ etc.

don't beat yourself up about this, AA vs KK preflop all in is a very common situation you dont have to think about. once you have the kings, another time you will have AA and the villian KK.

entirely different story deep stacked though,that is like 100BB. but this is usually in cash games.

Thanks for the advice, that helps. I suppose I'd do the same thing again next time.

I do struggle with whether or not to ever go all-in in those tournaments, for two reasons:

- I feel like I can beat most of them over time, so would prefer not to have everything come down to a single hand even if I'm favored.

- It sucks to go home early

In tourneys pre flop you always get it in with KKs. Over time it's a profitable play. You're also trying your best to reraise, in hope to entice the player to get it in.

notice I only said get all-in preflop because of the amount of blinds left. with ~10bb or less you can't play a real post-flop game. thats why you play push or fold when you get to that point.

I'm just going to add one small thing. When thinking about whether we played hands well or badly, we must simply ignore the results. We are asking whether we played well against the range of hands villain could have and not just the one he actually turned up with. The only way your play here can be bad is if villain really does only 3bet with AA. Since that villain does not actually exist, or if he does, we can't easily recognise him, your play was fine, you were just unlucky.

I'd like to ask if there is any difference for a beginner to play FL Hold em on max. 6 or full ring tables...

I used to play FL ring games but I don't play FL SNGs. They scarcely ever run afaik. 6max would be more aggressive than full ring and afaik these days there's far more 6max limit than full ring because of that.

I'd strongly suggest playing NL though and yes, there are big differences between 6max and full ring but I don't think it particularly matters which you play as a beginner. If you feel like you prefer to play solid and avoid risk, full ring is for you. If you like action, play a lot of hands and so on, 6max will be better. If you hate yourself, go straight for 6max hypers.

Thanks for your answer!

The reason I considered to start with FL is that I wanted to internalize basics like starting hands, pot odds, etc. at first without having to think about the right bet sizes also.

No worries. I strongly advise reading Theory of Poker and perhaps playing regular speed games, where you can put concepts into action in a more relaxed way. Tbhwy, I'm not sure a grounding in limit is not more of a hindrance than a help because conceptually it's quite a big shift.

I have a question about Nash.

If you shove a Nash range preflop, will it always have an EV of at least 0?

Thanks for the help.

Yes. Well, actually, your long-term EV will be at worst losing just the rake.

Did you guys manage to get HM2 to import 6max hypers correctly?
Although I play only 6max hypers, some are treated as regular speed. Also sometimes they get different tags.
This happens even after I request and import hand and tourneys summaries from PS.
Does it work correctly for you?

@ avramia, I think I noticed something similar with 6max turbo's, treated as regular speed. Haven't paid too much attention to it though

First real time at playing STTs so I am learning how to use ICM calculations. Can anyone tell me if my method/calculations are correct here? This is probably very basic but will reassure me.







In order to decide whether to call, I need to see what % of time my hand would need to win.

We use the equation:

E[CALL&WIN]*P = E[FOLD]

P = E[FOLD] / E[CALL&WIN]*P

Using an ICM Calculator I get the following:

P = 22.18 / 35.58 = 62%

So does this mean that in order for me to profitably call, I need my hand to win 62% of the time?

If anyone has the spare time, could someone run through the calculation themselves and see if they get the same answer.

Many thanks!

Thanks. And if your opponent deviates from a Nash calling range to calling too tight/loose, is it +EV? (taking rake out of the equation)

Correct. Villain calling looser will mean you win more at showdown. Villain calling tighter means you win more without showdown.

hey, does anyone have any advice on a good site to get training videos for 6-max stt? i've looked on a number of different sites, but it seems like most of the videos in the category are several years old. i'd really like to see some that deal with the current situation on the ground at 15 to 30 dollar buy ins.

Is it easier to build a roll grinding STTs than SNGMTTs ?

Cardrunners Colin Moshman. I think he has some 6max videos as well as a ton of 9max. I might be wrong. Use the 7 day trial and check it out.

hey, thanks for the advice. i checked, but unfortunately there is only one 6 max video at those stakes for all of last year. i can't believe that no one is making any videos on them. there must be some somewhere...