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06-18-2010 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bakes
top 100 in the world in a sport that millions upon millions play worldwide sounds world-class to me, love ya steve kerr
After series is over, or in your opinion so far from the biggest buy ins at WSOP, how do you as a young internet "kid" rank compare to the best in the world at mixed games? FWIW, I consider you pretty high up there, and u crush hard enough that it's almost absurd.

Random question, in a random thread...just sparked my curiosity.
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06-18-2010 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mement_mori
Klink, sorry couldnt see your message until Bonified posted it since I have you on ignore. Not interested in betting anything with you.
Sometimes I almost forget you're like 8 years old, but this type of post always reminds me. "sorry I ignored your post but I have you on ignore and want to let everyone know that I have you on ignore."

I liked you better when you didn't think the earth revolved around your posts.
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06-18-2010 , 03:41 PM
seriously, grow up dude.
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06-18-2010 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd Terry
A $10K cap on a 1% crossbook would only come into play if someone made more than $1 million, i.e., made the final table, so I don't think it has much of a distortive effect on the wager.
you're just thinking in terms of the % likelihood it actually matters, which, admittedly, is small. but when 30% of the prize pool (or more?) is given out at the final table, it actually makes a pretty huge difference to cap action at 10th place winnings between two players, one of whom plays to move up spots and has very little chance of going far and the other who consistently goes for broke.
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06-18-2010 , 04:10 PM
lol you are cool
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06-18-2010 , 04:11 PM
OP = Bandichime gimmick
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06-18-2010 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fslexcduck
you're just thinking in terms of the % likelihood it actually matters, which, admittedly, is small. but when 30% of the prize pool (or more?) is given out at the final table, it actually makes a pretty huge difference to cap action at 10th place winnings between two players, one of whom plays to move up spots and has very little chance of going far and the other who consistently goes for broke.
Yeah I was thinking in terms of overall EV which is a function of the probabilities of the various outcomes but I guess part of the point of crossbooking is to embrace the variance. In terms of the little chance of going far vs. going for broke, that is theoretically true but probably isn't the case with Vanessa R. vs. Hellmuth. It would probably have more of an effect on Vanessa R. vs. durrrr -- I don't see Tom grinding out a mincash in the ME, I think his probability distribution across outcomes is going to be more polarized than that of most players.
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06-18-2010 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonified
I'd have to agree with this ^^^



It's maybe none of my business but that's a lot different from crossbooking. .
you're absolutely correct, this isn't crossbooking. the reason I picked a set amount is because me and Mement don't know each other irl, so escrowing becomes simpler with a set amount, I mean we can escow the max possible loss, but then getting getting refunds if it's less than that... just a pain in the ass, i like to keep things simple
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06-18-2010 , 08:21 PM
[QUOTE=mement_mori;19673025]Diesel, don't think that model is fair I only want one where someone wins if one of them goes pretty deep itm. Bonifieds suggestion is good.

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the reason why cashing is used is because it would be tough to track if neither cashes. how is the model not fair, whoever cashes for more money wins, how can it get more fair than that? the problem with "pretty deep itm" is that chances are the bet is gonna be a wash with the current rules, neither of them is gonna go "pretty deep", they both suck, with your proposition 99% chance it will be a wash, and I don't like to break even, I like to win or lose, it's all about the action baby, not about chopping.
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06-18-2010 , 08:26 PM
I said "cashes for more", wrong wording, if they both cash, and both finish in the same pay bracket, it's not a push, the person who finished higher wins
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06-18-2010 , 08:28 PM
we can also bet other WSOP tourneys, and I'd much rather pick someone other than Hellmuth
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06-18-2010 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by romdom
would crossbook tom dwan vs anyone in any form of poker
horrible bet imo
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06-18-2010 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PageUp
Sometimes I almost forget you're like 8 years old, but this type of post always reminds me. "sorry I ignored your post but I have you on ignore and want to let everyone know that I have you on ignore."

I liked you better when you didn't think the earth revolved around your posts.
LOL how about you get ready to post some nonsense no one cares about in the sunday thread over and over again, only a couple days away...
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06-18-2010 , 09:53 PM
My MTTc experience/enjoyment revolves around mement_mori's posts
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06-19-2010 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PageUp
Sometimes I almost forget you're like 8 years old, but this type of post always reminds me. "sorry I ignored your post but I have you on ignore and want to let everyone know that I have you on ignore."

I liked you better when you didn't think the earth revolved around your posts.
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06-19-2010 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DIESEL PPP
the reason why cashing is used is because it would be tough to track if neither cashes. how is the model not fair, whoever cashes for more money wins, how can it get more fair than that? the problem with "pretty deep itm" is that chances are the bet is gonna be a wash with the current rules, neither of them is gonna go "pretty deep", they both suck, with your proposition 99% chance it will be a wash, and I don't like to break even, I like to win or lose, it's all about the action baby, not about chopping.
The problem is that some players can be pretty good at mincashing (I think hellmuth belongs in this category but still will have a lower expectation so I don't think that model is fair. Todd and Vanessa makes some good points as well and I think it's gonna be too hard to find a model that satisfies us both.
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06-19-2010 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LetMeLive
makes me sad nobody mentioned taking game theory at duke
i am actually doing that
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06-19-2010 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sct123
That's a nearly impossible goal brah...Vanessa Rousso is beyond first class so you should really be realistic and aim lower.
**** you watch me kid
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06-19-2010 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mement_mori
The problem is that some players can be pretty good at mincashing (I think hellmuth belongs in this category but still will have a lower expectation so I don't think that model is fair. Todd and Vanessa makes some good points as well and I think it's gonna be too hard to find a model that satisfies us both.
that would be Chainsaw (not this WSOP though). lol I dont think Hellmuth plays to mincash, although I can see where you get this impression after he folds QQ with 10 BBs

Come on, a lawyer and a Yale law student, what the hell can they possibly know

Whatev, if u come up with something, lemme know. Ur girl is in round 3 in HU, Phil is nowhere to be seen, not sure if he played though
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06-21-2010 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mement_mori
I mean OP is clearly a fairly new player and a lot of his experience with poker is from watching people play on tv and if he has seen Vanessa crush on PAD and all of her commercials for PS then I really don't think it's all that weird that he considers her one of the best, and certainly nothing that deserves ridicule from a bunch of people that play microstakes and have never played with Vanessa.
With so many people having DVR nowadays, do you really think many people have even seen those commercials?
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