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01-02-2017 , 09:25 AM

ewillieb

stranger

Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 1

No Limit Hold'em Tournament T50/T100
Buy-in: $3 Regular 9-Max
Winning Poker Network
8 players
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Stacks:
UTG - UTG (T446)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 (T1,003)
MP - MP (T2,268)
MP2 - MP2 (T792)
CO - CO (T4,018)
BTN - BTN (T1,696)
SB - Hero (T1,567)
BB - BB (T1,710)

Preflop: (T150, 8 players) Hero is SB with A

2 folds, MP raises to T200, 3 folds, Hero calls T150, 1 fold

Flop: K

(T500, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: 8

(T500, 2 players)
Hero bets T250, MP calls T250

River: 6

(T1,000, 2 players)
Hero bets T1,000, MP raises to T1,818 (all-in), Hero calls T117 (all-in), Uncalled bet of T701 returned to MP

Total Pot: T3,234
MP shows K

(with Four of a kind of Ks)
Hero shows A

(with Flush, A high)

MP wins T3,234 with Four of a kind of Ks

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01-02-2017 , 08:02 PM

Davesreiberg

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 400

I'm leaning to folding pre here. As played seems fine.

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01-03-2017 , 01:07 AM

Pop.

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 423

you should fold or jam pre...depending on the person opening and how loose/tight he is

post flop is fine but irrelevant

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01-03-2017 , 07:42 AM

CZECHSHARK

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 506

fold pre

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01-06-2017 , 05:59 AM

acbarone

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,869

Don't love the flat here based on position/stack size. Could shove if he's opening too wide or fold if he's too tight. Defending would be a much more reasonable option if we were in the BB -- slightly better price, closing out the action, guaranteed to be heads-up instead of multi-way which increases our chance to win the hand.

Turn/river play are standard, altho I think checking the turn (with the intention of never folding) is fine too. Betting doesn't get many better hands to fold, even AQ/AJ might peel.

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01-09-2017 , 03:03 AM

TheHitmanofPoker

stranger

Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 8

I'd fold the hand if MP was a tight player. If MP was loose, then you could make a re-raise in an attempt to get him/her to fold the hand. Calling the bet places you to act first with a dangerous flop.

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01-09-2017 , 07:34 AM

BluffTheTurn

newbie

Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 27

You need to learn how to fold nut flushes on paired boards when 15bb deep.

Just kidding, this is a pretty stupid question...what would make you think its bad play getting it in here? He had quads? Move on to the next tournament. If you're too scared the paranoia will prevent you from winning.

HOWEVER, this is a clear as day 3-bet shove preflop, unless your opponent is a huge nit.
If you learn to very rarely call out of the SB, your play will improve a lot. 3-betting or folding is a much better strategy. acbarone explained the advantages to defending the BB pretty well, I would follow that.

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01-10-2017 , 08:30 AM

kakospaidis

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 573

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Originally Posted by BluffTheTurn

This basically.
A9s is just too strong to not 3-bet shove pre.
You are in a level where stealing is very profitable and he has a big stack that will make him raise and then fold to a 3-bet shove sooo many times where folding makes you extremely exploitable IMO.

Now if you were like 10-14 bb deep and I saw this minr by MP That would be more alarming since he is min-raising to induce much more often than he does it in this particular spot.

So it's a clear as day 3-bet shove 15bb deep and be happy about it.
Don't worry about the post flop play.

Just move on.

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