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Bad call? Bad call?

10-30-2013 , 05:10 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.91 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 60 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20300791

    SB: 36,668 (36.7 bb)
    Hero (BB): 30,832 (30.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 5
    SB raises to 2,000, Hero calls 1,000

    Flop: (4,120) Q 6 T (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 2,000, Hero calls 2,000

    Turn: (8,120) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB checks

    River: (8,120) J (2 players)
    Hero bets 4,000, SB raises to 12,000, Hero calls 8,000

    Spoiler:
    Results: 32,120 pot
    Final Board: Q 6 T 8 J
    SB showed K 8 and won 32,120 (16,060 net)
    Hero mucked 4 5 and lost (-16,060 net)



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    Should I have folded? Or not bet the river?

    edit: villain was loose/aggressive i think about 40/25

    Last edited by Beezow; 10-30-2013 at 05:16 PM.
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    10-30-2013 , 05:21 PM
    don't think that i can fold here.. if it is a fish he may show worse hands often enough
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    10-30-2013 , 05:23 PM
    I dont really think you done much wrong.

    You cant not be betting the river after you hit your flush. That is the reason why you called on the flop.

    Bit unfortunate he has the flush as well but I dont think I am folding there HU
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    10-30-2013 , 05:25 PM
    Lead Flop.
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    10-30-2013 , 05:35 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Synth
    Lead Flop.
    Even if i think there's a lot of Q and T in his range?
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    10-30-2013 , 05:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Synth
    Lead Flop.
    What about check-raising? I think just donking kind of shows we're drawing.
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    10-30-2013 , 05:44 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Beezow
    Even if i think there's a lot of Q and T in his range?
    There is also just as much air in his range that he may not c-bet. This is HU, villain will/should be raising the BTN wide. Leading takes the pot down a descent % of the time.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheBritishLion
    What about check-raising? I think just donking kind of shows we're drawing.
    Check/raising is fine too.
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    10-30-2013 , 05:48 PM
    flush over flush is pretty damn tough to avoid esp. in NLHE.
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    10-31-2013 , 09:46 PM
    No
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    11-01-2013 , 09:45 PM
    definitely not a bad call he can value worst hands like two pairs, str8...
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    11-01-2013 , 10:13 PM
    3 bet pre, flop and turn are standard, river I'd go for a c/r. Having bet and been raised, I'd usually jam rather than call. Folding should never even enter your mind.
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    11-02-2013 , 07:40 AM
    c/c flop is fine with such a weak draw. This flop texture should connect fairly well with his opening range. In a vacuum I'm not folding, however some info on our opponent would help
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    11-02-2013 , 08:13 AM
    std call, nothing wrong with it
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    11-02-2013 , 12:50 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sir AA
    std call, nothing wrong with it
    +1
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    11-02-2013 , 04:18 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sir AA
    std call, nothing wrong with it
    +2
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    11-03-2013 , 02:00 AM
    Fold pre.

    OTF - I'll prolly check raise if called re-evaluate OTT.

    As played: OTR - call

    may i also add:

    Although this might seem like a bit of a dilemma, its not as bad you think. The last thing you want to do here is bet out… its one of the biggest mistakes you can make in poker when you think about it logically. When you bet out not knowing if you have the best hand or not, you are only going to get calls from hands that beat you, and you are not going to get calls from hands that you are beating. It is a completely lose-lose situation, so never bet out if you are unsure about whether you hold the best hand or not.

    If you think you have a decent chance of winning because your opponent is loose and bluffs frequently, then you have a good reason to call. However if you are not confident that you are ahead, you should be looking to fold unless you are being given good enough pot odds to make the call to see if you are ahead. It's all about practice and a good knowledge of your opponent's playing style.


    so yeh like i said , i reckon check calling OTR is fine if you're unsure about your hand.

    Last edited by all_in_pockets; 11-03-2013 at 02:11 AM.
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    11-03-2013 , 06:08 AM
    Fold pre
    The rest is ok, maybe all in at the river
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    11-03-2013 , 08:58 AM
    Dont fold pre lol. Like leading turn, and might even shove river because he could perfectly raise/call straight otr.
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    11-03-2013 , 11:41 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sokz
    Dont fold pre lol.
    +1
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    11-03-2013 , 02:16 PM
    Pretty sure it is a bad call on the river, but only because we should really go for a 3bet shove when he raises us.

    Even considering folding a flush here is just ridiculous, totally results oriented — if you're not going for the kill when you make a flush here then you actually might as well have folded pre.

    Villain makes heaps of straights, sets and 2pair here, and most of the time he can reasonably think they're all good enough to raise OTR. Hell, some people will raise just 1 pair here OTR, we're ahead of so much of his value range.

    I mean, c'mon, we're HU here, not full ring, and only 30bb deep anyway — flushes like this are absolute monsters. Sure he sometimes makes a flush as well, but it's pretty hard for him to do, because there's only eight clubs out there, and he needs to have two of them. Sorry that this was one of those occasions, but don't be results oriented.
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    11-03-2013 , 02:19 PM
    Also, please read our FAQ sticky for posting guidelines


    Don't post results, not even as a spoiler, and also it's more helpful to give your threads a more meaningful title; this title basically tells us it's gonna be a bbv thread before we even open it.
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