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05-24-2014 , 08:25 AM
I like to get super aggro 1-2 spots off the money especially these $1.50 sngs
Am I playing this wrong in this close to the money ?
Villain: vivp 60/PR5/Afq 47 43 hands
Your thoughts here


    Poker Stars, $1.29 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27193711

    Hero (CO): 1,785 (17.9 bb)
    BTN: 5,171 (51.7 bb)
    SB: 2,698 (27 bb)
    BB: 2,300 (23 bb)
    MP: 1,546 (15.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q A
    MP folds, Hero raises to 1,785 and is all-in, BTN calls 1,785, 2 folds

    Flop: (3,720) K 2 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (3,720) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (3,720) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 3,720 pot
    Final Board: K 2 6 2 4
    Hero showed Q A and lost (-1,785 net)
    BTN showed J J and won 3,720 (1,935 net)



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    05-24-2014 , 08:35 AM
    kind of interesting the button didnt reshove. If he puts in nine more big blinds he puts maximum pressure on the blinds considering he has to call if one of them shoves anyway and very likely has to call a flop all in if one of the blinds calls preflop and shoves the flop.
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    05-24-2014 , 10:39 AM
    The button does not care if the blinds come along because he is already in for nearly 1/3 of his stack and should never fold once he made the decision to call. It is really unlucky you ran into nearly the top of his range.
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    05-24-2014 , 10:59 AM
    personally not shoving here. raise/calling.
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    05-24-2014 , 11:36 AM
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    Originally Posted by kakarot
    kind of interesting the button didnt reshove. If he puts in nine more big blinds he puts maximum pressure on the blinds considering he has to call if one of them shoves anyway and very likely has to call a flop all in if one of the blinds calls preflop and shoves the flop.
    I love how people in this forum assume a 60/5 player thinks in this way. More likely his thought process was something like: "Me have good hand, me see Mike Matusow play this hand on TV, me call. Me shoot raccoons and drink beer later."

    On topic: If you have a 60/5 player behind you and god knows what kind of typical players in the blinds, openshoving might be the worst possible move. Raise/call.

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    I like to get super aggro 1-2 spots off the money especially these $1.50 sngs
    Am I playing this wrong in this close to the money ?
    If with super aggro you mean play more hands, then sometimes that would be right. Mostly in situations were you're opponents are tight, scared and/or passive.

    If by super aggro you mean shoving good hands while still with playable stacks, then I'd say you're wrong. Against players this bad you want to play many small pots, not 1 big one.
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    05-24-2014 , 11:41 AM
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    Originally Posted by RinaldoR
    personally not shoving here. raise/calling.
    Raise/calling vs opening same result isn't it ?
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    05-24-2014 , 11:44 AM
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    Originally Posted by Viral25
    I love how people in this forum assume a 60/5 player thinks in this way. More likely his thought process was something like: "Me have good hand, me see Mike Matusow play this hand on TV, me call. Me shoot raccoons and drink beer later."

    On topic: If you have a 60/5 player behind you and god knows what kind of typical players in the blinds, openshoving might be the worst possible move. Raise/call.



    If with super aggro you mean play more hands, then sometimes that would be right. Mostly in situations were you're opponents are tight, scared and/or passive.


    If by super aggro you mean shoving good hands while still with playable stacks, then I'd say you're wrong. Against players this bad you want to play many small pots, not 1 big one.

    Super aggro playing my top hands fast and aggressive, at these stakes you can shove AK and be called by KT or ATC and be paid off I like to be the aggressor shoving hands like AK Rather than calling a shove with AK does that make sense
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    05-24-2014 , 12:08 PM
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    Originally Posted by White_Pince
    Raise/calling vs opening same result isn't it ?
    Huh, what? No. Unless villain has a 100% 3bet range we dont know about.

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    Super aggro playing my top hands fast and aggressive, at these stakes you can shove AK and be called by KT or ATC and be paid off I like to be the aggressor shoving hands like AK Rather than calling a shove with AK does that make sense
    Thats not what I would call super aggro, that's what I call nitty and suboptimal. Also, as you can see by the result of this hand, it's high variance.

    Besides, he is not calling ATC, considering he is playing 'only' 60% of his hands overall. Against a 17BB shove his range would probably be even tighter.

    I think it's safe to assume AQ does better against the range he calls a minraise with, then the range he calls a 17BB shove with.
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    05-25-2014 , 11:22 PM
    Min Raise and go from there, if they re-raise i'm letting it go. Definitely not jamming at 50/100.
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    05-26-2014 , 04:10 PM
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    Originally Posted by djkillerlamb
    Min Raise and go from there, if they re-raise i'm letting it go. Definitely not jamming at 50/100.
    I agree with this I think I would min raise and fold to a repop or even just call but definitely not jamming all in here.
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