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AQo on A K 9 rainbow flop AQo on A K 9 rainbow flop

10-29-2013 , 06:10 AM
After flop do we fold, call, raise, or shove?

Live 65 player, $30 tournament.
18 players left
average stack of tournament: ~90,000
8 player table
prize $: 1st~850, 2nd~300, 3rd~250, 4th~180, 5th~120, 6th-10th~80

P1(60,000)
P2(125,000)
P3(30,000)
P4(90,000)
Villain1(50,000)
Villain2(110,000)
P7(120,000)
Hero(105,000)OTB AQ
both villains are solid tags
BB=5,000; starting pot 9,500(200 antes)
Hero M~11

V1 calls
V2 raises to 15,000
Hero calls
V1 calls

AK9

v1 check
v2 bets 25,000
Hero?

What are villains ranges pre and post flop? Consequently how much showdown equity do we have?

Last edited by EdNealy; 10-29-2013 at 06:17 AM. Reason: missing info
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10-29-2013 , 06:14 AM
Jam pre, as played call
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10-29-2013 , 10:49 AM
Why jam pre? 1st, let's estimate V2's preflop range:

[AA-99, AK-AJs, KQs, AKo-AQo]

If V2 calls w/ entire range we have %44 equity, which means an ev of (assuming V1 folds):

ev = .44(210,000 + 14,500) - 105,000

ev = -6,220

And this is assuming V2 calls all-in w/KQ and AJ. W/ an above average chip stack and M>10 I don't think he's calling w/hands such as KQ and AJ. If he's got more pp in his range that doesn't change our ev. Furthermore, this is all assuming the blinds and V1 fold. Further still, my M~11, which to me means that it's too soon for an all-in w/ AQ. Maybe all-in if we have AKo. Our equity jumps to 54% in this scenario. Still, I would want to look examine other lines to determine which looks best. Another factor we must consider is that we will have position throughout the hand.

It appears to me that it is not a pre jam.

Please convince me otherwise if you can.
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10-29-2013 , 10:59 AM
your range is too tight
and yeah this is a shove with no particular info
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10-29-2013 , 11:01 AM
If you honestly believe that his iso range is this nitty then it's probably a fold pre and as played flop is a fold too.

Him having more pocket pairs in his range does change our EV btw.
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10-29-2013 , 11:10 AM
I just poker stoved it and we gain about .8% equity if we include all the pp instead of 99+. Not a significant change.

Maybe you guys are right though; maybe my estimation of V's range is too tight.

And thanks for the good feedback.
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10-29-2013 , 11:14 AM
8% is a lot also add the fe and your shove is def +ev
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10-29-2013 , 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shichibukai
8% is a lot also add the fe and your shove is def +ev
0.8% does not equal 8% but I also like a shove.
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10-29-2013 , 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bikram
0.8% does not equal 8% but I also like a shove.
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10-29-2013 , 11:28 AM
Also, I forgot to factor in FE. I know we are really simplifying things by saying the blinds and V1 folds to all-in, but looking at this scenario it should actually be +ev if V2 folds hands like AJ and KQ since he's abandoning a 29,500 pot.

Exploring poker this in depth is very new to me. Once again thanks for the help.
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10-29-2013 , 04:34 PM
You posted this very hand in the SSMTT forum too. Don't know why. Also don't know why you added reads to this thread but not to your other one.

Since you provided reads this time ignore #1 of my SS post and push pre. As played: call.
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