Villain has been pushing the table around and I felt like I would play back at him. I think my raise preflop should have been bigger with all the limpers that came along. Thoughts on how it turned out?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 4.4 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds 15 Ante (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) (t6255)
SB (t5445)
BB (t4485)
UTG (t7067)
UTG+1 (t15000)
MP1 (t3780)
MP2 (t7504)
MP3 (t19255)
CO (t11500)

Hero's M: 19.86

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t120, 1 fold, MP2 calls t120, MP3 calls t120, CO calls t120, Hero bets t840, 3 folds, MP2 calls t720, MP3 calls t720, CO calls t720

Flop: (t3795) 8, 2, 7 (4 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 bets t360, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1100, 1 fold, MP3 calls t740

Turn: (t5995) 6 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets t4300 (All-In), MP3 calls t4300


Total pot: t14595

This is where things went wrong. The best way to lose money against LAGs is to get sucked into the "I'll teach him a lesson" black hole. Stick to your game and nail him when you have something of value.

As the hand played out the big mistake was the flop. You made a big PF raise and completely whiffed on a flop with 3 opponents. Time to suck up your pride and prepare to fold. If you are going to make a raise to try and take it down there, you need to raise much bigger. Your flop raise is giving him like 7:1 odds to continue there.

pre-flop seems fine imo...your rarely getting 3 callers there so that was ul i guess.

gotta raise way more on the flop and jam any turn if you really want to "play back" at villain/think hes weak.

Its a fairly dry flop so he's not likely bet/calling on a draw. The turn isn't much of scare card so I think I check it back at him. If he is as bad as it sounds then he is probably not folding enough to make a jam OTT profitable, however when you hit you probably get great value for it on the river.

Why play back at a lag on a flop like this with 4 people seeing the flop? Just fold and wait to trap idiots like this when you actually have a hand. Pf is fine given stacks and how bad limpers are.

Pretty sure this entire line is fine if it were HU vs. villain as described.

Pre is standard, normally I don't think you get that many callers.

I would c/f flop just because of the number of callers (you raise but have no idea if someone behind is going to jam over you) but lol that his tiny flop bet represents anything at all, if it were HU with me and this villain I'd raise a bet that weak with 100% of my range. And if we are repping an overpair even with other villain in hand then this is exactly how I would play it.

Once you turn the NFD with overcards and stack sizes pretty sure the jam is completely standard.

The biggest problem is definitely the flop with unknowns left to act, but if you planned on r/fing to one of the others if they jammed over your raise then I don't really mind this line at all.

4 ways you have to c/f flop

That's what I was pretty much going at.

flat flop, just asume he is checking.
turn is fine.

Agree.

We could shove the flop if we think villian is doing this with air some of the time. Especially this time.

Shoving the flop with 4 people in it is just horrible imo. If we think he has air then we should flat and let him barrel it again.

Sure seems like you fell into the trap of deciding what you were going to do before the flop or cards came out. You committed to one course of action and didn't allow anything to change your mind.

you got mad and tried to run over a player who's style won't allow him to be run over and now only a club saves you. Also a great point in the thread that you have 2 other players, have you forgot about them? odd's of running over three players, not good.

finally, you don't have the stack to scare villain off anything except air, ... he calls you here with about any made hand, or at least i do.

675 pre and go from there. Certainly do not bluff-raise this flop texture.

if you really want to play back do it when its 3w or HU.

MP2 checked and the CO folded.

Yeah just fold post, maybe he IS pushing the table around with garbage but you know what happens every time you decide to hero up and play back with nothing? They ALWAYS have the stone cold nuts. Just gotta wait for the cards imo

It doesn't matter that MP2 checked or not, the fact of the matter is he's still to act and my bad on CO folding. Shoving flop is still horrible for reason that's bolded. What worse hands can he call with on the flop that calls this pf raise?

less pre...I probably just shove flop vs this dude

doesnt matter what worse hands he calls...what matters is we have to expect him to keep betting and almost every hand has some equity vs us...pot is big enough that I am happy to have them just fold

This is what i was thinking.

If our plan is to let him barrel again then are we just trying to get to showdown?

There is always more then one way to skin a cat, I just like having more ways to win.