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02-23-2010 , 08:10 PM
Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG+2: t1590 M = 53
MP1: t1440 M = 48
MP2: t1470 M = 49
CO: t1400 M = 46.67
Hero (BTN): t1470 M = 49
SB: t1400 M = 46.67
BB: t80 M = 2.67
UTG: t1780 M = 59.33
UTG+1: t2870 M = 95.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN with Q A
3 folds, MP1 calls t20, 2 folds, Hero raises to t60, 1 fold, BB raises to t80 all in, MP1 calls t60, Hero calls t20

Flop: (t250) 9 J A (3 players - 1 is all in)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t190, MP1 calls t190

Turn: (t630) 2 (3 players - 1 is all in)
MP1 bets t160, Hero calls t160

River: (t950) K (3 players - 1 is all in)
MP1 bets t100, Hero calls t100

What is this guy's range? Calls my bet on flop then leads on turn? I was so baffled by the lead out, I decided to call...Then when he bet weak, I figured if he did have 2 pair or a set I was going to get to see it cheaply

I don't think AJ is in there...b/c I would assume he would raise...A9 maybe...but what do you think?
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02-23-2010 , 08:26 PM
Raise the turn to around 600.
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02-23-2010 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bear187
Raise the turn to around 600.
If I do that shouldn't I just push b/c essentially that commits my stack??
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02-23-2010 , 08:35 PM
Seems okay preflop and flop, but definitely raise the turn. Unless he's sitting on two clubs, that turn did not help him at all. What I'm wondering is if he's making this small bet because he slowplayed something from the flop, but what is he doing limp/calling preflop with AA/JJ/99/AJ/maybe A9? My best guess right now is that he has some weaker ace, AT or A8 and down.

I'm not sure if shoving the turn is right, you're still pretty deep compared to blinds, and if he's going to fold to a shove, then he'll definitely fold to a 600 bet. But if he shoves on top, I think you ought to be ready to call.
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02-23-2010 , 08:37 PM
Shove turn
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02-23-2010 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gimmidaloot7
Shove turn
This. You can't commit 1/4 of your stack on the turn to fold the river.
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02-23-2010 , 09:59 PM
For me the lead out on the turn is a chan play, which is used for pot control OOP. I'd put him either on a flush draw or an ace-rag and, as they said, shove turn.
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02-23-2010 , 11:25 PM
+1 getting it in on turn. Limp/calling preflop early in a 180 man (granted my opinions are based on the 12$ turbos but still valid here imo) coupled with checking the flop just screams weak ace to me. Or at least it screams weak ace often enough to surely make it profitable to get all-in on the turn here. For all of the times that you're beat he will show Ace-crap and naked flush draws often enough that you're ok.
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02-23-2010 , 11:25 PM
Wouldnt that be a 1100 shove into a 780 pot on the turn? Seems a bit much. His lead out doesnt seem like it means anything. I would think that he might have floated you thinking you were trying to get heads up against the BB, then you might disappear if he bet out. Then again, I guess shoving the turn would somewhat protect you from flush draws, etc. Ide probably reraise turn to around 600 and shove river. Could have something like jq or jk since he limped first go around preflop and it seems most $4 players would reraise jam with aj pre.
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02-23-2010 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by neinneinnein
Wouldnt that be a 1100 shove into a 780 pot on the turn? Seems a bit much. His lead out doesnt seem like it means anything. I would think that he might have floated you thinking you were trying to get heads up against the BB, then you might disappear if he bet out. Then again, I guess shoving the turn would somewhat protect you from flush draws, etc. Ide probably reraise turn to around 600 and shove river. Could have something like jq or jk since he limped first go around preflop and it seems most $4 players would reraise jam with aj pre.
If we bet 500-600, we would only have 500-600 left so we need to shove if we raise because we are pot committed at that point
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02-24-2010 , 12:29 AM
I don't see why everyone is so eager to raise the turn here. I think calling here is fine. As mentioned raising here will commit us. I guess if villain is real bad he will stack off with Ax or some draw but i think it is more likely that if we raise or shove he is either going to fold a hand we beat or call and show up with a hand that we are behind.
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02-24-2010 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by I Tr1cks I
I don't see why everyone is so eager to raise the turn here. I think calling here is fine. As mentioned raising here will commit us. I guess if villain is real bad he will stack off with Ax or some draw but i think it is more likely that if we raise or shove he is either going to fold a hand we beat or call and show up with a hand that we are behind.
I imagine random villains in 4$ 180 mans are really really really bad....I say this because random villains in 12$ 180 mans are really really bad.

Like bad enough that tptk is pretty much the nuts because they will call with worse somehow
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02-24-2010 , 05:11 AM
bomb turn
as played calling river is fine
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02-24-2010 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Default Name
I imagine random villains in 4$ 180 mans are really really really bad....I say this because random villains in 12$ 180 mans are really really bad.

Like bad enough that tptk is pretty much the nuts because they will call with worse somehow
This is basically correct. Even some regulars in 4.40s are really really really bad.

Shove that turn for sure.
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02-24-2010 , 11:42 AM
Do you guys think if I shoved the turn I could get this guy off of 2-Pair???
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02-24-2010 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BBird40
Do you guys think if I shoved the turn I could get this guy off of 2-Pair???
not even one,shove turn
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02-24-2010 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BBird40
Do you guys think if I shoved the turn I could get this guy off of 2-Pair???
No chance. On that board all that your repping that beats 2p is a set.
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02-24-2010 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by davethedave2
No chance. On that board all that your repping that beats 2p is a set.
Ok b/c at first I think cold calling the flop and then leading out on turn could be his way of building a pot with a set...but in fact he did this when he hit 2pair on the turn with A2
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02-24-2010 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BBird40
Ok b/c at first I think cold calling the flop and then leading out on turn could be his way of building a pot with a set...but in fact he did this when he hit 2pair on the turn with A2
I thought you played it right given the few hands you could beat.
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