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AKo in BB facing 2 limpers- Live 0 MTT AKo in BB facing 2 limpers- Live 0 MTT

01-03-2013 , 11:34 PM
10 handed live table.

Blinds 800/1600/100.

Note about tourney. It was a re-entry and reentry period was coming to the end and some shortstacks were looking for spots to get it in.

I have 66K (41bb).
Villian1 in mid position has 25K (15bb)
Villian2 in late position has 34K (21bb).

Action pre is Villian1 in mid position limped. He was a young bloke playing a very LAG style earlier in tourney. He had appeared to tighten up for last level or so as he got short.
Villian2 in cutoff limped as well. He was newish to the table so didn't really have any real info on him.
I'm in BB and pick up AKo. I had a bit of history with Villian1 with each of us 3 betting lightish early in tourney. I had gone card dead and really hadn't played a hand in probably best part of last two levels.

Action on me and I make it 6K.
Villian1 and Villian2 call.
Flop is J85 rainbow.

So the pot's now ~20K.

I lead out for 18K. Pretty dry board and figured if I checked Villian1 would shove with any draw or pair and then I'd be forced to check call. Villian2 didn't particularly worry me as I put him on a pair or lousy ace based on his limps and call pre.

Villian1 shoves for his remaining 20K. Villian2 then snap shoves for his last 29K (he actually almost bolted up out of his chair with the shove). I then donate the last 11K to the pot with it being so bloated and hoping I might still have two overs.

I guess my question is both preflop and then the flop action.
In retrospect, I think my preflop raise was too big and all I achieved was inflating the pot with and me being OOP.
Either that or should I have shoved considering effective stacks were only ~20bb?

Then on the flop, could I have led smaller, then fold to the snap shove by Villian2? Or is it simple check / fold?

I know this is probably standard and certainly results oriented thinking but the hand is bugging me.

Spoiler:
Result - Villian1 turns over J7 and Villian2 turns over 55. Board runs out.

Last edited by darrinc; 01-03-2013 at 11:56 PM. Reason: Tidied up the action.
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01-03-2013 , 11:46 PM
I may get flamed for this, but I would shove preflop being OOP and villains may call due to reentry period.

This is an awful flop for your hand, hitting their ranges, and being hard for you to represent anything. Don't like potting it and just getting it in. I would check and usually fold, but you could make a normal cbet.
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01-03-2013 , 11:48 PM
Just shove pre and lol vs these stacks
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01-04-2013 , 12:20 AM
shove pre ldo
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01-04-2013 , 12:28 AM
shove pre
the lol is important
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01-04-2013 , 12:54 AM
Yep thanks guys. Shove pre makes a lot of sense.

I wasn't paying enough attention to the effective stacks.

Last edited by darrinc; 01-04-2013 at 12:54 AM. Reason: typo
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01-04-2013 , 03:14 PM
shove pre

but as played, definitely smaller flop cbet (esp against players whose ranges are inelastic given stacks)
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01-05-2013 , 02:31 PM
shove preflop
as played, 50% of times I'd cbet close to half pot, 50% of times, I'd check fold. Choosing one option more than the other one would depend of my image.
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01-05-2013 , 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gadarene
shove pre

but as played, definitely smaller flop cbet (esp against players whose ranges are inelastic given stacks)
Once we cb aren't we never folding against these stacks? Unless you can cb fold here somehow I think I like the bigger sizing to maximize fe. I think c/f may be the best line on this flop still in the re-entry period as no matter what our sizing we probably have no fe.
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