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10-01-2016 , 11:11 PM
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[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $10.46 Buy-in (30,000/60,000 blinds, 6,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37444959

BTN: 2,585,654 (43.1 bb) 17/17/6.3
SB: 1,059,849 (17.7 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,129,172 (18.8 bb)
MP1: 1,489,153 (24.8 bb)
MP2: 966,062 (16.1 bb)
MP3: 3,553,614 (59.2 bb)
CO: 3,332,504 (55.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to 150,663, MP3 folds, CO raises to 361,326, BTN raises to 767,899, Hero ?

next pay jump on 9/ 12 left
against CO definitely shove....but what about BTN?
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10-03-2016 , 08:07 PM
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wow would love to hear thoughts on this
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10-03-2016 , 10:02 PM
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We need player stats and reads. CO can just be exerting ICM pressure on MP2's open, then again the BTN might know this and be getting out of line?

It's really really close, but if the BTN is never bluffing then it's a fold. If we add one bluff combo to a QQ+, AKo, AKs range then it becomes an AI.

Can you post results later?
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10-04-2016 , 12:11 AM
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You block AA KK and are ahead of worse Ace combos, so even against JJ and Queens you have chance to triple up. I like that personally.
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10-04-2016 , 12:46 AM
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Without stats/reads this is really close, but probably a fold.

MP2 looks strong with raise that early, and probably ready to shove against a three bet. CO or BTN has to know that, means I put BTN on JJ+, AK.
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10-04-2016 , 02:31 AM
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Readless I'm folding. Your stack is too low, meaning MP/CO/btn can only call and you likely end up in a 4-way pot. AK does not do well in that scenario
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10-04-2016 , 02:40 AM
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MP2 - VP:27 PF:18 3B:3.0 118 hands
CO - VP:28 PF:20 3B:9.7 75 hands
BTN - VP:17 PF:17 3B:6.3 118 hands

Everyone folded BU won.
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10-04-2016 , 02:46 AM
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Yea it's really close. In game I would check all stacks remaining and see how likely we might be able to ladder to FT after folding this with only 12 left.

I doubt the long-run EV of folding vs. shoving here can be that different, shoving will of course be extremely high variance.
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10-04-2016 , 02:56 AM
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I was the last one from all 12 so...
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10-04-2016 , 03:02 AM
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What are the payouts?

This is a pretty sick spot and to find the best answer you will need to put in the numbers and work with some software.
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10-04-2016 , 03:20 AM
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This is pretty obvious fold in my opinion. BTN is almost never light 4betting here.
AKo is an easy fold, WP.
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10-04-2016 , 03:49 AM
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1st - 2122
2nd - 1539
3rd - 1170
4th - 810
5th - 588
6th - 426
7th - 309
8th - 224
9th - 163
10-13 - 118

I did put it on ICMIZER 2 and for $EV i get QQ+.
And this is what i don't understand for $EV i get QQ+ and when i want results to be in Chip Ev i get a wide range 77+, AQo+, K9s+, QTs+.
I guess we go by the first range .
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10-04-2016 , 04:06 AM
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^ ICM is appropriate at this stage
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10-04-2016 , 05:32 AM
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MP2 (27/18) and CO (28/20 with 3 bet 9.7). If BU competent player, he will be 4 bet with AJ+, 99+. We have 2 blocker A and K. I think you have to push.
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10-04-2016 , 06:41 AM
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Clear fold
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10-04-2016 , 06:55 AM
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ya proly fold
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