An interesting hand ocurred to a friend of mine and I would like your opinion about it.

Final table of an MTT, all 10 players get paid, blinds are 500/1000 with a 100 ante. Shortest stack of the table is 14.5K. 2nd hand of the FT, average stack at 25K chips, hero's stack is 23K and he gets AKos UTG. He raises to 3500. He gets reraised to 7500 from the cut off who covers hero's stack. Cut off has relatively played loose-aggressive preflop (previously in tour), but this is the 2nd hand of the FT. All fold. What should hero do?

P.S.: Any comments about preflop raise are wellcome but please try to focus on what the hero should do after the reraise:

A)Call
B)ALL-IN
C)Fold

Fist pumping all in

This

in this situation i try and put my chips in the middle so fast to see how many players heads i can spin

It is an online tournament.

your right, this only works on a live table. LOL

Live/online/theoritical -----> SHIP

ship.

if he raise folds Ak here he should quit poker and take up nitting.

also, if he intends to ever not ship this or call a ship, or whatever, whyd he 3.5x? this is a huge issue. if raising intending to fold then he really shouldnt be wasting so many chips.

I'll tell you what I answered him and then you tell me what you think about it (because it seems most of you didn't pay much attention to stacks, pot odds etc...).
The 3.5xBB raise UTG is kinda big. 2.5xBB would be better. If you fall upon a monster you lose less. He reraised an UTG raiser, so his range must be something like AK, AA, KK, QQ, JJ. Our flop pot odds are 3.375 to 1 and our chances to hit an A or K on the flop are 1.86 to 1 against. In other words, if we're facing an underpair we need to have 22.85% to catch a pair on the flop (as pot odds dictate), but we actually have 35%! This issue contemplates for the very rare flops where we are against AA or KK and an A or K falls on the flop (which is much more improbable). I also assume that if a scary A or K falls we wont make any more money when he holds QQ or JJ, but if he holds AK all the money goes in and we're 50%-50%. On the other hand, if he holds KK and an A falls we can even trap him with a check and may extract a small extra bet sometimes. I believe this analysis explains why calling is profitable (+EV). If we whiff we still have a relatively healthy stack, which would be much healthier if we had made a smaller preflop raise.

As for the ALL-IN re-re-raise now... We assume that he wont fold no matter what he holds, since he'll be getting 2.1 to 1 to his call. As a result, we are risking 15.5K to claim a total of 29K, this is 1.49 to 1, or equivalently we need 40,2%. But versus the range JJ+, AK that we are probably facing we only have a 40% equity. That is we are risking finishing 10th witha probability of 60%. That's a poor prize pool equity and even if we miss the flop after just calling, we can save our 15.5K and have a better equity. After flat calling we also roughly have a 35% chance to climb to 33K chips. Remember, each chip you win has less value than each chip you lose, so risking it all seems to be the worst choice. See again how big a chance you have of being eliminated 10th (60%)!

What do you think about this thinking? Did you expect flat calling to be so powerful?

wow, thats a pretty narrow range for a LAG in the CO. whats your image on this table? (not that it really matters, im still pushing ) look, youve got a top 5 hand and a miniraise from LOOSE/AGGRO from the CO and now you + him are isolated.imo your ahead here alot and racing at worst. how can you think of even folding this? im baffled??

OK,i wrote this long post that I accidentally deleted,too lazy to do it again,suffice it to say,your range is bull****. You say he's loose/aggressive,and he's only 3betting with JJ+/AK? Whatever.

Just fold. If you plan on folding if you miss the flop,you are better off not throwing away 1/3 of you stack pre,plus,if your range is right,he's not loose,he's tight,and will never pay you off anyway those few times you hit.

Open Shove the first time IMO. WTF was the point of the raise? If you fold you turn AK into 72o and calling is = to shoving if he has an underpair IMO.

Sherman

as far as "concentrating on what to do after the re-raise" you really only have 2 options, push or fold, and i cant see folding. this is a classic example of a "result orientated" argument.


P.S. - i wish i had a dime for everytime i was in this exact situation and villian turns over 77,88, 99, A-Js....-

this shouldn't even be a question. he has 14.5 BBs, he's sitting w/ AK... stick it in. i can understand a 2.5x or 3.5x raise with the intention on getting it in, but if you're going to open raise then fold, that's just gross.

Try a stop and go here.

Tell "your friend" that AK is teh nutz in donkaments.

this is totally wrong. pot odds are going to warrant a call with ANY piece or draw. just get it in and hope it runs well. are you trying to win this tourney or simply move up the pay ladder?

Basically you should be getting it in preflop here almost everytime against a LAGgy player who has position. You have a little bit of FE, but really if you're playing to win you want to get value out of AK and you want a call.

3500 is bad... 2500 is much better... irrelevent tho. get it in.

Against a known lag player this is a shove but against many players this could be an ICM fold.

this is such an easy shove, if ure going to ICM fold AK then just shove it right away.

Agreed with valen.

Easy push when the action gets back to hero. If you're going to fold this due to icm then get it in the first time around to you.

I didn't even read your explanation, but this is such an easy push, far from interesting imho.

Stop and go here is terrible. Just get it in already.

I'm shipping this instantly.

Since the opponent is a LAG in previous action it doesn't mean he can't adapt to 10 handed action now. Nor does it mean he can't put you on a reasonable range of hands that would raise 3.5 times the BB from UTG with such a stack of M<10. What hands do we expect him to have since he knows we're relatively tight and we're raising 3.5xBB from UTG? His being relatively LAG can't exclude his reading abilities. I think it's simple gap concept here. If he's aware of it, then a push is wrong. If he dafies it, then it's still questionable. If our hero had a shorter stack (say 16000) then a shove would be more effective.

then he's not a LAG, he's a TAG