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11-08-2011 , 08:10 AM
We are on the bubble of 1k 15bin bubble, my stats are normal like 17/10/5. So are SB's, he seems decent.

I hold AK in SB with 15BB (avg stack). It is folded to me. I raise 2.1BB (=standard in this bubble, because ive been picking up blinds with medium holdings), BB calls. No antes. Flop is 3 small cards, rather unconnected. I cbet 50% pot. Villain comes over with a shove.

I felt like shoving was losing value, so I raised.

Question: Is it alright to fold here? And: Would you take another line, like c/f flop?
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11-08-2011 , 08:48 AM
whats your stacksize, whats his? any reads? any history between you two? did he flat before with short stacks? what did he show?
what tourney is this? FO? sattelite? any super shortstacks?

more infos...
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11-08-2011 , 09:09 AM
errr... its all there in the OP.

- My stack is 15BB, his is almost identical.
- 13left. 12 pays. 15BB is like 5/13.
- Win is 350euro, min cash is 40euros
- Site is Entraction, final table players are often like 50% decent
- Freezeout, 15euro bin.
- He did not flat earlier from what I observed, has not done anything stupid.
- No history with villain. Decent stats.
- Two shortstacks, with like 3-4BB. So we are both basically ITM.
- I have been fairly active, and semibluffstealing with stuff like AT, 87s, KT, 77 etc
- I kindof value even mincash. Not for the sake of the money itself, but rather as evidence of good play to increase my ROI.
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11-08-2011 , 09:18 AM
ty (you said average stack in the OP, not effective stack)

i'd shove pre cause i dont expect him play back light that often with these stacksizes in a w/o history and he will expect you to jam most hands anyway so you kinda balance the range with AK (you can show him when he folds or say you will show or w/e and then jam light in future spots if you need to)
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11-08-2011 , 09:46 AM
Thx Furo. Very well, definately a viable option is to shove and utilize a bit theatrics as well.

But then, I ran to a debate basically about opening&cbetting&folding like 4BB's out of 15BB's in this spot. So, is folding an option there at all? Or is it simply somehow unacceptable?

In real game, for multiple reasons, I messed it up and basically prized myself in postflop against TT, since I mistakenly bet too much preflop & fired also too much as cbet, so I got 1/3 on a call, and if overcards against a pair is 1/4 (+ say 5% villain bluffs/AQ, +15% AK) so basically it was nearly a breakeven call.

But thats not the main point. More interesting is the answer to the aforementioned set up.
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11-08-2011 , 10:07 AM
the structure of that tourney seems awful if you at 5/13 with ~15BB so its shove/fold 99% of the time and you say he is decent so just shove your whole range.
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11-08-2011 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by furo
ty (you said average stack in the OP, not effective stack)

i'd shove pre cause i dont expect him play back light that often with these stacksizes in a w/o history and he will expect you to jam most hands anyway so you kinda balance the range with AK (you can show him when he folds or say you will show or w/e and then jam light in future spots if you need to)
i agree that this would be my standard but OP says he has been raising to 2.2x and picking up pots so in that case raising and not shoving here would be the balanced play.

as played if you cbet and are priced in vs a shove i would prefer to checkraise which picks up some dead money some of the time since he will often be tempted to make a stab. he might even fold a small pair which would be great for you.
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