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02-08-2009 , 05:48 PM

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ZBTHorton

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Originally Posted by Protential

Normally i agree with you.... pointless for me to post this. I had far better players agree with me already, i was just seeing if u guys would also make the same conclusion.

lol yeah okay. You've given us 0 information inside of this post to come to any conclusion even reasonably close to what you want us to say. Then you act like we suck because we can't get to that conclusion. You don't even say he's that tight! You tell us he's "fairly TAG". rofl

Please tell the "better" players to come into this thread and give their reasoning. I would love to hear it.

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02-08-2009 , 05:48 PM

#27

SaltyVeteran

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Throw me in with the rest of the nits cause I shove this all day and don't think twice.

Just can't put him that thin 4 handed.

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02-08-2009 , 05:53 PM

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spoonfox

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op must have the same coach as Mike DH.

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02-08-2009 , 05:57 PM

#29

Jakejackjake

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Is this not a fold because of ICM and have 2 stacks covered 4 handed?

How much equity do we need to call here to be +$ev?

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02-08-2009 , 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonfox

op must have the same coach as Mike DH.

mike dh is a freeroll legend!!!!!!!

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02-08-2009 , 06:26 PM

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op must have the same coach as Mike DH.

[ ] above is a winning player.

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02-08-2009 , 06:30 PM

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[ ] above is a winning player.

[x] Plays 4/180's and is insulting people

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02-08-2009 , 06:31 PM

#33

Jakejackjake

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I'm still curious about ICM here but I do call everytime because of the added potential for first

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02-08-2009 , 06:52 PM

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I'm still curious about ICM here but I do call everytime because of the added potential for first

The first part is what i was curious about.....

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02-08-2009 , 07:18 PM

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[ ] above is a winning player.

yeah, my comment = out of line. Was really more a flame-from-afar towards the Freeroll King.

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02-08-2009 , 07:24 PM

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Anyone else get the feeling hero called and ran into the top of villains range?

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02-08-2009 , 07:27 PM

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Anyone else get the feeling hero called and ran into the top of villains range?

Actually i folded pre, and they showed JJ.

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02-08-2009 , 07:30 PM

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So how did you arrive at the conclusion that his range was so tight? I still dont get it.

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02-08-2009 , 07:36 PM

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MorsifiedZombie

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Originally Posted by Protential

Normally i agree with you.... pointless for me to post this. I had far better players agree with me already, i was just seeing if u guys would also make the same conclusion.

I hope I run into some of your "better" friends at tables soon....

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02-08-2009 , 07:41 PM

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So how did you arrive at the conclusion that his range was so tight? I still dont get it.

He would make normal raises with hands like AJ KQ, smaller pps he would limp or raise. His bet is wayyyyyyyy out of line. preety obvious monster.

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02-08-2009 , 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Protential

He would make normal raises with hands like AJ KQ, smaller pps he would limp or raise. His bet is wayyyyyyyy out of line. preety obvious monster.

As I said to you in PM. It's a pretty obvious hand he doesn't want to play post flop. This is different from pretty obvious monster.

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02-08-2009 , 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton

As I said to you in PM. It's a pretty obvious hand he doesn't want to play post flop. This is different from pretty obvious monster.

and if this was a 22$ 180man i agree with you...

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02-08-2009 , 07:50 PM

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and if this was a 22$ 180man i agree with you...

Players in smaller buyin tournaments ranges are larger than players in larger buyin tournaments. Not the other way around.

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02-08-2009 , 07:54 PM

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Players in smaller buyin tournaments ranges are larger than players in larger buyin tournaments. Not the other way around.

Actually ppl in higher buy ins when deep in a mtt have much wider ranges then donks at their first 4$ 180man ft... they dont make plays, higher buy in ppl do. You dont see many squeeze plays, then somone shoving the squeezer in a 4$ with A9 off. You might see that tho deep in the sunday 500.

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02-08-2009 , 07:59 PM

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I'm not denying that.

What I'm saying is, the villain in this hand could very likely have no idea that shoving AQ is bad. Or AJ or AT, or 33, or whatever. My claim that his range is bigger isn't based on the fact that it's a squeeze. It's based on the fact that the villain in this hand likely sucks, so giving him a ridiculously narrow range is incorrect by default.

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02-08-2009 , 08:00 PM

#46

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You probably cant call this shove very wide because of ICM but like others have said: theres you way you know his range is JJ+ AK. IMO a more reasonable one is 99-JJ, AQ+. Most people dont ship 40bbs over a button open and SB flat with KK-AA...

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02-08-2009 , 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Protential

You dont see many squeeze plays, then somone shoving the squeezer in a 4$ with A9 off.

You do, because bad players overvalue their hands and thinks Ax is the nizzles and they don't do it for the reasons better players do.

This is a call. His range is not as tight as you think it is and it's not JJ+, AK at the least.

And btw being results orientated...when he shows you JJ after you fold, don't be pleased with yourself.

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02-08-2009 , 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Protential

He would make normal raises with hands like AJ KQ, smaller pps he would limp or raise. His bet is wayyyyyyyy out of line. preety obvious monster.

What he normally squeezes to a smaller amount with those hands and they both went to showdown?

Why would he make this play with a monster, especially if you've been active and it's unlikely to can call a shove without a strong.... i mean the nuts

What do you with QQ with your read of him having an preety obvious monster

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02-08-2009 , 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PocketFrog

What he normally squeezes to a smaller amount with those hands and they both went to showdown?

Why would he make this play with a monster, especially if you've been active and it's unlikely to can call a shove without a strong.... i mean the nuts

What do you with QQ with your read of him having an preety obvious monster

Snap shove so hard i break my mouse...

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02-08-2009 , 08:24 PM

#50

Jakejackjake

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Originally Posted by Protential

Snap shove so hard i break my mouse...

But what about his raaange?

extra A's cause thats what he has I think

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