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08-18-2010 , 05:01 PM

Moreconfusednow

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Full Tilt, $0 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 600 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunners - Hand Details

Jayne 11: 89,856 (18 bb)
kempachy: 201,369 (40.3 bb)
SA LEGOMAN: 134,001 (26.8 bb)
Hero: 133,377 (26.7 bb)
GimmeThatBack: 210,976 (42.2 bb)
posityves: 135,809 (27.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

Hero raises to 17,222, GimmeThatBack raises to 35,000, 4 folds, Hero calls 17,778

Flop: (81,100) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, GimmeThatBack checks

Turn: (81,100) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, GimmeThatBack bets 35,000, Hero raises to 97,777 and is all-in, GimmeThatBack calls 62,777

Really I most curious about what to do here pre? should i just fold to the re-raise?

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08-18-2010 , 05:05 PM

b3nd3r

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No, shove to the re-raise imo.

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08-18-2010 , 05:55 PM

wakes123

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yeah I also shove pre. Its hard to play AK off oop in a 3bet pot.

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08-18-2010 , 05:58 PM

quarague

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shove pre, as played raise flop, do not fold

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08-18-2010 , 06:00 PM

Trommelochse

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snapshove !
if you were much deeper you could flatcall (i really dislike) or 4bet-call . But in this spot a shove is the only option.

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08-18-2010 , 06:29 PM

Moreconfusednow

adept

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Is no one afraid that UTG+2 has a pretty strong range to min-re-raise?
does he not have to have 10's or better???
are people really re-raising here with less?

i agree flatting is bad. it was my friend but i was watching. I said re-shove or fold...

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08-18-2010 , 06:51 PM

Trommelochse

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Most of the time he has a strong range, but AK is still running good even against a tight range !
I frequently light-3-bet EP-raises with hands like 87s,97s,T8s etc., because it looks strong and puts my opponent on a hard decision. If he decides to flatcall oop i have a hand that plays very well postflop ,which he can't put me on.

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08-18-2010 , 06:54 PM

22GB

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Originally Posted by Moreconfusednow

Is no one afraid that UTG+2 has a pretty strong range to min-re-raise?

and we have a pretty strong hand. shovesnap

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08-19-2010 , 01:45 PM

Moreconfusednow

adept

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 927

I did some rough math and the only range we can put UTG+2 on were we should fold is KK/AA even if you include QQ it is a shove.

On the otherhand doesnt that make it really likely he has AA or KK knowing we cant really fold.

I guess I see the point you cant really put an oppoenent on such a narrow range of just aa or kk (pre-flop and late in a tourny)

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