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02-26-2018 , 09:52 AM
3.30$ MTT, it's the 7th hand from the begining

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 20/40 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 168.35 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: 102.27 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 5)
UTG: 123.87 BB (VPIP: 17.14, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
Hero (UTG+1): 119.75 BB
MP: 123.87 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 116.6 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BTN: 245.27 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A J

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 10.5 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 4 5 9
BB bets 12.8 BB, Hero calls 12.8 BB

Turn: (47.1 BB, 2 players) A
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (47.1 BB, 2 players) Q
BB bets 61 BB, Hero calls 61 BB

what do you think about how I played the hand?
should I bet the turn?
villian bet's otr is big, but I guess it's still a call right?
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02-26-2018 , 01:51 PM
Preflop, flop, turn all well played.

That river bet is so odd, but let's see if we can think through it. It can be difficult to range people so early in tourneys because people can do all sorts of crazy stuff in the first few levels.

But let's give him some credit for a good hand making a 3b from the BB against an EP open. Absent a read that he's a lagtard, let's assign him a solid value range of JJ+, AQs+, AK.

I think he can play all streets the same way with this entire range. You block the club draw so we can't really put some random busted club draws in his range. And absent a read that he's a lagtard, I can't put any other busted draws in his range either.

So when he overbets the river he could be doing it with a monster, trying to look weak and hoping to get a call from Ax. Maybe he has QQ, got scared of the Ace on the turn, and then nails the river and spazzes out trying to look bluffy. Or AQ. But he could also do this with JJ or KK, trying to get you to fold your Ax.

Flip a coin, it's either a sigh fold or a WTF call.
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02-26-2018 , 05:12 PM
Annoying but I think a pretty clear fold - this type of bet is more often for value than a bluff in my experience and we're well behind his value range. Often AQ or QQ here i think
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03-03-2018 , 01:58 AM
id mostly be folding this pre readless, as played I would raise get it in on that flop
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03-03-2018 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
id mostly be folding this pre readless, as played I would raise get it in on that flop
+1

I like the fold pre. We're deep, but his range should be extremely tight and we get into trouble deep when we flop pairs. So, probably best to just fold to this sizing.

I like raising flop, too. We get AJ/AQ/AK to fold and we have decent equity vs. his jam range.

As played, I'd fold river. I think KK/JJ either tries to get to showdown or makes a different sizing on river for value. Most players don't have a 3b bluff range pre from the BB vs. EP here, but even if they did, most of the good 3b bluff candidates have some sort of showdown value and wouldn't overbet the river. There could potentially still be some bluffs in his range, but most people in low stakes aren't overbet bluffing the river enough, if ever. So, I'd think he only takes this line with AJ+, QQ/AA.
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03-03-2018 , 05:37 PM
Raise the flop here. As played its a very easy fold this is AQ, AK or QQ
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03-03-2018 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wowsooooted
id mostly be folding this pre readless, as played I would raise get it in on that flop
Why are we folding pre? I know SPR sucks but :

1) we know nothing about villain. He could have a tight range , yes , or he can be a fish doing weird stuff...i think it's worth a call and see what happens...
2) A question in a more theoretical way : don't we want to call with these deep stacks with hands with absolute nuts potential like pp or Ax suited? Or to make a question in other way : if we don't call the 3 bet with AJs IP vs a potential fish...when are we going to call it?
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03-03-2018 , 10:06 PM
Would call pre ip w/ AJs and fold AJo and not get married to tp post so fold river, Lol.

Raise/gii otf seems decent but ip call works great too. Raising flop wouldn’t be b/c he folds AQ+ but to balance my sets that wish to raise and b/c hero has sets while V doesn’t/shouldn’t have them. AQ+ has such a hard time seeing showdown here that it wouldn’t matter much anyway altho I must admit that getting them to fold doesn’t hurt us either.

As played bet turn 35-45% and check back otr ui imo. If you wish to protect your TT-QQ stuff then check some other Ax than AJcc from your flouting range. It should have decent amount of them.
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03-04-2018 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by miguelin43
Why are we folding pre? I know SPR sucks but :

1) we know nothing about villain. He could have a tight range , yes , or he can be a fish doing weird stuff...i think it's worth a call and see what happens...
2) A question in a more theoretical way : don't we want to call with these deep stacks with hands with absolute nuts potential like pp or Ax suited? Or to make a question in other way : if we don't call the 3 bet with AJs IP vs a potential fish...when are we going to call it?
Hes 3b an early pos raiser and hes an unknown, flatting 3bs to tight or unknown ranges without the goods is generally bad because we only hit the flop 33% of the time and sometimes we will hit the flop and be behind
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03-09-2018 , 10:34 AM
sigh and fold. I would agree that folding this pre could be good. Even with laggy players you have to give their 3bets credit for big hands like AQ+, JJ+. The overbet on the river screams a value hand like 3 Aces or 3 Queens.

Last edited by Thefabb4; 03-09-2018 at 10:40 AM.
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