villian has 17/8 over 12 hands.. no reads.
should i check back OTF? call his c/r?
how would you play this hand?

You see people do this a lot on paired boards you Cbet they reraise it's hard to ge respect on paired board but both c/c an cbetting this flop are fine when reraised call take it to the next street if villain ad a 7 here on flop he would probly jus call your Cbet big paires are raising pre so he's repping 88 99 maybe 1010 an maybe he as smaller pair or air so when reraised callif an high card comes on later streets you can rep the **** out of it or we could it or we coud hit a Aor j it's very likely are hand is still good aswell

You should be checking back this flop. Maybe our opponent check/calls with worse ace highs, but more often than not, his range is going to contain mostly pp's and 7x combos. Rarely we are making better hands fold and always getting called by hands that beat us, so betting this flop really makes no sense.

people hate to do it but you can 3b shove this flop insanely profitably, you can also just float the raise and jam any turn.

I really don't like checking back on the flop as it caps out our range for the rest of the hand. c-betting here sets up some uber profitable barrels with a variety of runouts and builds a pot in position with a hand that still isn't going to be doing terribly vs his range.

Please don't listen to any of this. Nothing said here is correct and would be classified as insanely spewy.

good guess. wrong but good guess.

the only person guessing is the guy who is spewily 3b'ing a 7 7 2 rainbow vs a check raise with ace high. your incentive to play a massive guessing game with a hand that is likely already best is just beyond absurd.

I'm not a huge fan of shoving his 3 bet.
Seems like suicide, unless you have strong reads, wich i don't have in this spot.

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yeah, like I said, people are gun shy about doing it (myself excluded).

The reality is that v has virtually no value hands in his range for c/r a 772r flop, almost any xxyr flop for that matter with the exception of some pp's that will pretty much never just call it off on the flop as bad as c/r fold is with any pair.....

if you're not intending to re-bluff with aggression, I'd rather fold than call down which used to be my standard.

lol, people like you are why i always play 7x and 22 fast on this flop.

man, so many of your posts are soooo definitive and disrespectful for someone who appears to be wrong or only half correct a large % of the time.

and, I'm really not worried about the 3 people fast playing 22 and 7x on this flop like you just to exploit the 2 people like me who jam their entire range over c/r's on this flop to exploit the 99.9% of people who aren't and who are c/r air and pp's to 'see where they're at'

What drives me crazy is people saying "do this and do that" without offering any insight or point of view on why their play is correct, as I always try to do so people understand why I believe they should take the advice I give. I am always open to other opinions or other lines that may be considered good, but I am not going to agree with someone "just because". People post their hands looking for good advice, so I do my best to let them know which advice is good and which is bad. The fact that you feel disrespected because you are wrong is not my problem. Maybe do some more studying and less posting if you are worried about people critiquing your thought processes.

By the way, do you think that I care if my opinion is different from most of the people who are posting in the small stakes thread? There is a reason for that. Probably because most people playing small stakes are not capable of giving sound or logical advice, which is why they are stuck grinding the smaller stakes.

The fact that you say only 3 people are fast playing 7x and 22 in this spot is only further strengthening my point on why it's good to be raising with these hands. If you are doing what everyone else is doing, then chances are you will be much easier to play against than someone who is taking different post flop lines from the majority of players.

wow dude, your reading comprehension is top notch, no wonder you act the way you do.

you win, I'm a giant spew monkey, pm me to exchange lifetime poker winnings to verify so that you can maintain your constant condescending air of superiority. gl

Lol, the last thing missing from your awkward remarks defending your terrible hand analysis was the "I bet I've made more money than you" line. Even if that's true, which I highly doubt, I am backed and coached by some of the best mtt and cash grinders in the game, guys beginning and intermediate players pay a lot of money to have coach them. If you have a problem with my hand analysis, then you can take it up with them. Although, I would suggest you come up with better arguments defending your play to them rather than "I bet I made more money than you", because it will certainly not apply here. Jamie Gold has made more in poker tournaments than 99% of the tournament grinders out there, yet I do not think this puts him in the category of an "elite" poker player by any means.

Anyway, good luck to you sir. If you are unwilling to take advice and criticism to help you improve your own game, then you will continue to be the same mediocre poker player that I'm sure you are.

i would float. 40% of the time we check down the turn and river and win.

when he c/r this flop his range is nuttish hands (7x, 22) weak small/mid pair hands which he doesn't want to felt but wants to end the hand now with and air. (note the massive discrepancy between the number of possible hands in the 1st category and the last 2)

On the turn, he bets all nutty hands and all of the air. He's only gonna check some of those weak sdv hands and any sdv his air picked up so if you wanna take the pot you'll almost always have to hit an A/J or put in a bet or a raise somewhere. I don't mind floating but I wouldn't plan on checking it down.

Thank you!
I've folded cause i didn't have any reads and didn't know what to do if he barrels again ott and i don't hit.

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I prob just fold. Not really trying to raise here and play a 45bb pot. I could be convinced peeling isnt so bad

Not saying this is a wrong decision but you probably shouldn't cbet if your not sure what to do when raised. Regardless of whether he's bluffing or valuebetting, your probably better off checking here and then evaluate calling a turn lead for rougly the same price as your cbet.