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A9 good or bad fold with flush on turn? A9 good or bad fold with flush on turn?

09-04-2013 , 10:57 PM
i'm not pretty sure if i make the right decisión


    Poker Stars, $2 Buy-in (30/60 blinds, 5 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19263382

    MP1: 5,102 (85 bb)
    MP2: 4,020 (67 bb)
    MP3: 5,950 (99.2 bb)
    CO: 5,115 (85.3 bb)
    BTN: 3,060 (51 bb)
    SB: 5,015 (83.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): 7,896 (131.6 bb)
    UTG+1: 5,596 (93.3 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,174 (19.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 A
    6 folds, BTN calls 60, SB completes, Hero raises to 240, BTN calls 180, SB calls 180

    Flop: (765) 6 A 6 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

    Turn: (765) T (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets 420, BTN raises to 2,815 and is all-in, 2 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,605 pot
    Final Board: 6 A 6 T
    BTN mucked and won 1,605 (940 net)
    SB mucked and lost (-245 net)
    Hero mucked 9 A and lost (-665 net)



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    A9 good or bad fold with flush on turn? Quote
    09-04-2013 , 11:29 PM
    I would probably option check pre and as played DEFINITELY cbetting that flop.
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    09-05-2013 , 12:41 AM
    Yeah my preference would be to check pre, but I don't hate raising here.

    Same a your other thread, I don't understand why you're not c-betting flops after taking the lead pre.

    I actually think I want to call this shove because your hand looks fos and villain could think he can take the pot away from you with a draw or a weaker ace or a T.
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    09-05-2013 , 12:45 AM
    Any reads on villains?

    1 - Readless, checking. With a read, raising.
    2 - I don't understand why you raised pre only to check the Flop once you hit your TP. C-bet!
    3 - I'd check the Turn.
    4 - Edit: In game I may have called but I don't hate a fold either.
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    09-05-2013 , 12:50 AM
    I would also check pre and yea obv cbet.

    I think if we play it this way and induce otf we can't fold now as played.
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    09-05-2013 , 02:22 AM
    My immediate reaction was "fold ldo!"

    ...then I noticed Hero checked the flop and reps absolutely no made hands here except TT (or AA I guess). Cbet flop plz. As played I think this has to be a call.
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    09-05-2013 , 12:36 PM
    Personally i'm just checking here with A9o, i'd raise from the button but don't want to play this hand OOP. You have to c-bet the flop though once you've made this raise pre. I'd check the turn and probably fold to a bet, depends if i have reads on the opponent, readless im folding but if I have info then it would make my decision different.
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    09-05-2013 , 07:57 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dragons_Egg
    Yeah my preference would be to check pre, but I don't hate raising here.

    Same a your other thread, I don't understand why you're not c-betting flops after taking the lead pre.

    I actually think I want to call this shove because your hand looks fos and villain could think he can take the pot away from you with a draw or a weaker ace or a T.
    I dont c bet cuz i want to pot control my tp and induce bad bets from my opponent with midle pairs or air that will fold to a c bet when there is an ace in the flop, plus if i c bet and they call and bet a large amount on turn and go all in in river i have a hard decisión if villain has flush or a better hand than mine, meanwhile if i check i disguize my hand and can extract 2 streets of value turn and river with less risk, inducing bat bets from villains and folding to this big reraises in turns that in my opinion its lets bluffy than the raise in flop, plus a delayed c bet its more lykely to get call by weaker hand in 2 streets than a normal c bet in a ace high board, normally villains call one bet to fold to second barrel if they dont improve
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    09-05-2013 , 08:40 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by eliguazo
    I dont c bet cuz i want to pot control my tp and induce bad bets from my opponent with midle pairs or air that will fold to a c bet when there is an ace in the flop, plus if i c bet and they call and bet a large amount on turn and go all in in river i have a hard decisión if villain has flush or a better hand than mine, meanwhile if i check i disguize my hand and can extract 2 streets of value turn and river with less risk, inducing bat bets from villains and folding to this big reraises in turns that in my opinion its lets bluffy than the raise in flop, plus a delayed c bet its more lykely to get call by weaker hand in 2 streets than a normal c bet in a ace high board, normally villains call one bet to fold to second barrel if they dont improve
    This is not a good way to think, if you cbet all your air on this flop you should cbet all your value hands aswel to remain balanced. Pot control? why you have top pair and a goodish kicker only vs 2 villians.. its not like the board is super wet vs multiple villians. You cannot afford to pass up spots and miss value in tournaments like this, You are getting value from worse As and flush draws, hands that are very much in either of villains range. Also by not betting we dont get to define villians hand has much when we check, this is bad especially here when the board is paired with the 6 (card that is very much in either of villains range). So we end up playing our hand in the dark not knowing where we truely ar, while at the same time giving 2 villains free cards to catch up (ie: small pps or runner draws).

    Also how can we delay cbet? we are oop, if we check and they bet we can't delay cbet anymore. Your plan on the flop should be cbet around 50%/decide, if someone comes over the top or calls then reasses.
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    09-05-2013 , 08:52 PM
    Naked aces , here's what i would of done , I would of just chcked on the BB with this hand.

    Getting back to your OP , I'll be c-betting the flop , if i get called i'll reasses the turn , BTN could be limping in late postion with a wide range of hands like kx, ax , jx , or maybe low-mid pocket pairs ect ...

    looking at that board , he may of hit 2 pair with ace 10 or has hit a flush on the turn....you should of betted out on the flop , its important to have initiative and to be aggressor espically since you raised pre.
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