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11-12-2009 , 12:44 PM

CaliStyle

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Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t3600 M = 24
UTG: t1235 M = 8.23
Hero (UTG+1): t2940 M = 19.60
MP1: t2480 M = 16.53
MP2: t2030 M = 13.53
CO: t2235 M = 14.90
BTN: t6015 M = 40.10
SB: t1755 M = 11.70

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG+1 with T

1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 5 folds, BB calls t200

Flop: (t650) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t400, BB calls t400

Turn: (t1450) 6

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t1450) J

(2 players)
BB bets t1000, Hero folds

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11-12-2009 , 12:54 PM

LorenB

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against players that probably don't know what a fold button is ($4 players) and the fact that our implied odds are weak with our stack and position. I just fold.

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11-12-2009 , 12:58 PM

SlevinUp

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I def open later but here..idk, at 50/1, I prolly fold for the same reasons as Loren

anyone double barrel here?

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11-12-2009 , 01:05 PM

Shan

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I dont think opening here is bad but folding is fine to.

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11-12-2009 , 01:14 PM

aces_full1963

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Originally Posted by two8s

I dont think opening here is bad but folding is fine to.

Agree.

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11-12-2009 , 01:20 PM

CaliStyle

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just checking to see if this is as marginal a spot as I thought, seems everyone agrees either action is fine and as played it looks good. I don't think I got a deep enough stack here for a double barrel.

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11-12-2009 , 01:34 PM

Shan

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yeah I agree I would cbet and give up on turn

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11-12-2009 , 02:22 PM

nutshot2

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name a reasonable hand that he flats with other than KQ that he doesnt call a flop bet with? check behind imo

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11-12-2009 , 02:41 PM

Recteur

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Originally Posted by nutshot2

name a reasonable hand that he flats with other than KQ that he doesnt call a flop bet with? check behind imo

are u serious? 33-44-55-66-77, some low a ss onegappers or whatever.

he is in the bb he could have ATC , its a $4
checking behind is really absurd, how can u limit his range to QK only??
that is insane

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11-12-2009 , 02:44 PM

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nutshot2

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lol, i'm not limiting his range to KQ only. reading comprehension.

i'm saying that his range destroys that board and that the one of the only hands i could see him calling preflop then folding on the flop is KQ. obviously if you're saying he's callign with like k3o then that's different and you should cbet.

but the range of hands he continues with is infinitely larger than the hands he c/f's

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11-12-2009 , 02:45 PM

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nutshot2

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and if you think he's folding 33-77 here, lol

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11-12-2009 , 02:46 PM

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Recteur

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Originally Posted by nutshot2

i really dont agree.
he is folding a LOT, not cbetting is awful

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11-12-2009 , 02:46 PM

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furo

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i just fold pre, opening it from MP2 or better

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11-12-2009 , 02:48 PM

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Recteur

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Originally Posted by nutshot2

and if you think he's folding 33-77 here, lol

not every player but certainly many enough to make a cbet profitable
we raised utg, should look pretty strong to most players.
i dont know maybe ur a $0.01 999 man regular or something and ur experienced are based on the players there.

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11-12-2009 , 02:48 PM

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areaman

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opens fine, betting is spew, especially with these stacks.

i dont entirely agree with nutshot because i think his range is certainly wider in a 4.40 and i do think hes flatting a lot of hands he will c/f but those are mostly hands we are way ahead of

anyways and id much rather delay c-bet here because his flop calling range is a lot wider than it is on the turn due to draws.

also the fact that if we bet the turn he is likely to check the river. as opposed to betting the flop and when it goes check/check on the turn he is firing the river like everytime oop and you still have showdown value.

Last edited by areaman; 11-12-2009 at 02:55 PM.

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11-12-2009 , 02:56 PM

#16

nutshot2

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Originally Posted by Recteur

i dont know maybe ur a $0.01 999 man regular or something and ur experienced are based on the players there.

u got me

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11-12-2009 , 03:01 PM

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I JaNiSaRy I

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UTG +1 with such a healthy stack, maybe i limp / fold to any raise / maybeee call chasing that flush or two pair. I like the limp here because if you get raised, thats more information that you can use to narrow a range, and your not really committing any chips to the pot. Also, if people limp behind and you see the ace on the flop, A10 is a lot stronger limp than A10 raised as any hands that give you kicker problems are likely going to raise here (AJ+).

As you played it, i like the bet but if hes calling the flop i think you were right to shut it down.

I can also just see myself folding it pre, i mean the only reason im playing it is to find a flush basically.

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