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04-13-2008 , 05:34 PM

chh

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Villain is 17/6 over 36 hands.

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 7 players
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Hero (UTG+1): t3065
MP: t1665
CO: t935
BTN: t1581
SB: t2389
BB: t2765
UTG: t1100

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9

1 fold, Hero calls t50, MP calls t50, CO calls t50, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: (t225) J

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets t150, CO folds, BB folds

Anyone continue here despite the hammer of future bets over our head?

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04-13-2008 , 05:39 PM

jd_poker

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No. Never. VERY rarely; I'd probably want to be on the top end of a OESD with a BDFD and top pair before thinking about this.

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04-13-2008 , 06:45 PM

DetroitHustle

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7 handed with a decent chip stack I'm raising this preflop.
AS played i fold flop.

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04-14-2008 , 01:28 AM

drzen

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They just never check the turn, so even though he only has a draw quite often, you're going to pay too much to find that out.

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04-14-2008 , 11:42 AM

TruFloridaGator

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If we were in position HU, I'd peel for sure. However we're OOP and he's betting through a number of people, so it looks pretty strong.

DH, raising just puts us in a horrible situation a lot. He's betting through a lot of people and probably never folding a J. It's not really bad, but I don't folding is best.

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04-14-2008 , 11:45 AM

Kevin8423

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Originally Posted by TruFloridaGator

DH, raising just puts us in a horrible situation a lot.

Are you saying raising pf is bad or raising on this flop? I raise pf to 125-150.

Fold the flop as played.

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04-14-2008 , 11:48 AM

jurrasstoil

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Originally Posted by TruFloridaGator

DH, raising just puts us in a horrible situation a lot. He's betting through a lot of people and probably never folding a J. It's not really bad, but I don't folding is best.

Detroit meant preflop

I think raising, calling or folding pf are all pretty close.

as played, fold.

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04-14-2008 , 11:53 AM

TruFloridaGator

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Reading comprehension FTW.

Raising or calling PF both seem good, I don't like folding at all though, jurrass.

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04-14-2008 , 11:56 AM

jurrasstoil

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raising and calling are def > folding.
But players that are not too comfortable playing postflop with a mediocre pair against 1 or more callers don't lose that much equity by folding i think.

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04-14-2008 , 12:01 PM

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i'm 50-50 for fold-call

he may have put in more for a Jx

i'm putting him on 8-high card or 7-high card

if Jx - i see 6 outs but a Th would be frightening - although i can't see him making this bet with just a flush draw.

would depend on my mood - considering chip stack i might call to see another card - implied odds are big and he may quit pushing

tough one

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04-14-2008 , 12:07 PM

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I'm not singling you out, but we need to get the past the comfortability factor of playing pairs. For any decent player, 99 especially will be +EV to raise here. You have to be extremely bad to make 99 a loser over time here.

99 isn't 66, and people should be able to get value out of it, especially 7 handed(only 5 to act).

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