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06-12-2008 , 11:26 PM

CCuster_911

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Ok couple notes prior to hand. Just got moved so no real solid reads but MP1 is tourney Big Stack as we near the bubble. He has been pretty active in my 5 hands at the table. The BB also hesitated before callin pre flop so his range seems very wide def including many small connectors that rape this flop....Am I raising this 100% of the time here being middle to act, with no solid reads? If so how much?

Poker Stars $9.00+$0.90 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds - 9 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

Hero (UTG): t9279
UTG+1: t8933
UTG+2: t5200
MP1: t24009
MP2: t10346
CO: t3092
BTN: t2275
SB: t4035
BB: t16520

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with 9

Hero raises to t900, 2 folds, MP1 calls t900, 4 folds, BB calls t600

Flop: (t3075) 5

(3 players)
BB bets t600, Hero?

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06-12-2008 , 11:35 PM

zedveron

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I'd raise to 2.5x pre.

As played, that weak lead by the BB is anything but strength imo, I'd pot it and shove pretty much any turn if either of them are still around.

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06-13-2008 , 12:53 AM

b-komplex

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close to bubble i think calling here is better, if big stack wants to push the issue you can get away from it. My problem with raising here is you are not faring well against hands that call you.

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06-13-2008 , 01:10 AM

zedveron

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Originally Posted by b-komplex

close to bubble i think calling here is better, if big stack wants to push the issue you can get away from it. My problem with raising here is you are not faring well against hands that call you.

I disagree, there are so many hands here that will call/shove us with a draw or worse hand, hands like 77, a8, a7, 78, 89, 8T as well as any diamond draw. I'm never folding 99 on this flop against 2 overcallers, bubble or no bubble.

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06-13-2008 , 01:38 AM

Wish

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That 1/5 pot donk bet looks more like a 7 or 8 than a big made hand or monster draw.

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06-13-2008 , 03:14 AM

deucegame

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Originally Posted by zedveron

I'd raise to 2.5x pre.

You're raising to 750 UTG with 99? Can you tell me why?

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06-13-2008 , 04:13 AM

zedveron

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Originally Posted by deucegame

You're raising to 750 UTG with 99? Can you tell me why?

2.5x just becomes my (and a lot of other players) standard raise size at these blind levels and up. I'd be raising AA, AK or 77 there for 2.5x as well. 2.5x accomplishes just as much as 3x, while it saves us chips for all the times we get re-raised and have to fold.

It also keeps the pot smaller in relation to stack sizes when we do play a flop, which gives us more flexibility post-flop.

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06-13-2008 , 04:50 AM

Tightordie

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At this point i prefer to flatcall and revaluate turn.
you said that BB range is very wide so 67, 78, 57... are in his range (you are app. 70-30 in this case) but i'm not sure that his weak lead means this. MP1 is behind you so i call and revaluate turn.

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06-13-2008 , 04:54 AM

PageUp

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+1 to everything zedveron has said.

Oh and this...

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Originally Posted by CCuster_911

The BB also hesitated before callin pre flop so his range seems very wide def including many small connectors that rape this flop

should not be how you assess the BB's range. I agree with your description of the BB's range, but connecting it to his "hesitation" is bad. There are a thousand potential reasons for this perceived "hesitation," and only a few of them have anything to do with poker. It's best to just abandon the futile search for so-called "online tells" before your imagination runs away with you.

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06-13-2008 , 08:37 AM

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JoeyJoJo Shabadu

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Originally Posted by zedveron

I'd raise to 2.5x pre.

As played, that weak lead by the BB is anything but strength imo, I'd pot it and shove pretty much any turn if either of them are still around.

This.

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06-13-2008 , 09:14 AM

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areaman

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,213

i make it 2679 preflop, cause the stack looks bigger when it ends in a 9 and it makes me happy when those chips go into the pot. so my raise is closer to 2.7x, but its for the same reasons. lol. 2.5x seems a little shallow to me. i like to stick in the 2.7x camp ill save the 2.5 for a little later in the game.

anyways, this is ****ty spot because there is still another person left to act. i think you have to raise tho...as much as i hate it. that 600 bet is so ******ed that we can safely assume MP1 is not folding to it. make it about 2k go from there.

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