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8r final table JJ with early limper and shove 8r final table JJ with early limper and shove

09-21-2009 , 03:50 PM
I think the shover is a bit tilted he was the chip leader with 10 or 11 left but shoved 88 into QQ and lost a pretty big pot and then another big hand with QQ v AA. He was running 40/34 over 44.

This is a fold because of the limper right?

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20000/t40000 Blinds + t4000 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t2242306 M = 23.36
UTG: t1204338 M = 12.55
UTG+1: t916672 M = 9.55
UTG+2: t652582 M = 6.80
MP1: t1897254 M = 19.76
MP2: t1065204 M = 11.10
CO: t1310488 M = 13.65
BTN: t1255644 M = 13.08
Hero (SB): t1287012 M = 13.41

Pre Flop: (t96000) Hero is SB with J J
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t40000, [color=red]UTG+2 raises to t648582 all in Hero???
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09-21-2009 , 03:54 PM
Kinda depends on the limper I would think?

If it's the kinda limper who likes to limp small pairs & then gets sticky with them, it's an overshove because of the limper.

If it's the kinda limper who likes to limp monsters, it's a fold because of the limper.

Readless? Meh. Probably depends on tournament dynamics & how much you could really use some more chips. Readless & in a vacuum? I prob call.
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09-21-2009 , 03:59 PM
this is a shove imo... ainec
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09-21-2009 , 04:00 PM
I dont think I can ever fold JJ as the shortest stack with something like 16 bbs vs. someone who may be pushing most PPs and some aces you have crushed.
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09-21-2009 , 04:42 PM
Calling and losing here puts me in shove/fold mode.

I suppose the payouts are kind of important.

1. $9,422
2. $6,858
3. $4,890
4. $3,310
5. $2,713
6. $2,117
7. $1,521
8. $1,044
9. $638
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09-21-2009 , 04:48 PM
yeah I think even with ICM I can't find a fold here
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09-21-2009 , 04:53 PM
I think it at least has to be close though with the limper right? I ended up folding and so did he.
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09-21-2009 , 06:32 PM
Snap get it in
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09-21-2009 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Parts Unknown
I think it at least has to be close though with the limper right? I ended up folding and so did he.
typical stars final table set up hand. You were crushed and if not you were gonna lose anyway. Yes the correct decision is to call this all day everyday but considering the pay differences and stack sizes I say go take an hour and a half nap and wake up finishing in 4th or 5th place.

gg
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09-21-2009 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DOH!_28
typical stars final table set up hand. You were crushed and if not you were gonna lose anyway. Yes the correct decision is to call this all day everyday but considering the pay differences and stack sizes I say go take an hour and a half nap and wake up finishing in 4th or 5th place.

gg
LoL

I got 6th it was disgusting. I was in 2nd and got KK and EP limper CL had AA. Yuck. If I win that hand I almost guarantee I win that thing.
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09-21-2009 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Parts Unknown
LoL

I got 6th it was disgusting. I was in 2nd and got KK and EP limper CL had AA. Yuck. If I win that hand I almost guarantee I win that thing.
huh?
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09-21-2009 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DOH!_28
huh?
early position limper chip leader?
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09-21-2009 , 09:20 PM
yah sorry.
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09-21-2009 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by smaug8821
early position limper chip leader?
ah, thanks.
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09-21-2009 , 11:59 PM
get it in
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