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8k gteed on Stars. Did I misplay TPTK here? 8k gteed on Stars. Did I misplay TPTK here?

10-20-2009 , 11:15 AM
Villain is inknown, I was just moved to this table so no reads/stats.

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 9 players
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BTN: t7130 M = 10.56
SB: t15260 M = 22.61
BB: t4880 M = 7.23
UTG: t5250 M = 7.78
Hero (UTG+1): t12435 M = 18.42
UTG+2: t10333 M = 15.31
MP1: t3140 M = 4.65
MP2: t15700 M = 23.26
CO: t15695 M = 23.25

Pre Flop: (t675) Hero is UTG+1 with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to t750, 3 folds, CO calls t750, 3 folds

Flop: (t2175) Q A 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t1300, CO raises to t2600, Hero raises to t11660 all in

Std? Or overly aggressive?
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10-20-2009 , 11:18 AM
looks fine, youre not deep enough to really mess around too much.
unless you have a read that villian is a meganit...
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10-20-2009 , 11:29 AM
What is the range of what he calls you with pre? Of that range what calls/raises your bet on the flop and what do you fold out? What about your shove? Does he call that with Ace/rag? Ever?

I check the flop here because I don't want to fold out the hands that called pre that would now be scared of the A/Q AND I don't want to build a pot for hands that now crush me.

The problem with what you've done is made it easy for worse to fold and for better to stack you
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10-20-2009 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mingdu
I check the flop here because I don't want to fold out the hands that called pre that would now be scared of the A/Q AND I don't want to build a pot for hands that now crush me.
This is a very drawy board and checking is bad because you give your opponents a free card

I'm pretty sure I've played this hand enough times and seen AQ every time. Shovings alright but I would probably flat and check shove a blank turn.

Edit: no, i'd probably check shove any turn because we have the Ad if the turn is a d and a K if the turn brings a 10.

That way, you can keep in draws and hands like AJ/A10 that might fold to that huge 3bet all in and if he does have a hand like AQ, well it was getting in anyway.
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10-20-2009 , 12:37 PM
Yeah, he had AQ. Lol, I doubt calling and check-shoving any blank turn is different to reraising all in on the flop. I guess it was shove/fold after his minraise on the flop, and prolly I should have folded there, because I can only beat a draw at that point and I doubt he would ever raise with a draw.
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10-20-2009 , 12:52 PM
What are the range of hands you would put villian on and in that range what calls or raises your flop bet?

The problem is that after that flop you are either way ahead or way behind. You have the flush A so that draw isn't a huge worry.

So when you bet you fold out everything you beat and keep alive what crushes you.

It's a mistake to bet that flop
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10-20-2009 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mingdu
The problem is that after that flop you are either way ahead or way behind.
Since when is AK on a 2-tone AQ9 flop considered a "way ahead or way behind" situation.

Can you give me an example where AK flops an ace and its NOT a "way ahead or way behind" situation using your logic?
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10-20-2009 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by fixedset
Since when is AK on a 2-tone AQ9 flop considered a "way ahead or way behind" situation.

Can you give me an example where AK flops an ace and its NOT a "way ahead or way behind" situation using your logic?
huh? You'll have to rephrase that ... I don't know what you mean.

What are the range of hands you would put villian on and, in that range, what calls or raises your flop bet?
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10-20-2009 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mingdu
What are the range of hands you would put villian on and in that range what calls or raises your flop bet?

The problem is that after that flop you are either way ahead or way behind. You have the flush A so that draw isn't a huge worry.

So when you bet you fold out everything you beat and keep alive what crushes you.

It's a mistake to bet that flop
i disagree i think you have to lead this flop because of flush and straight draws. Plus as far as the action pf and the raise on the flop the villain is just as likely to have AJ as AQ. . .the thing is that when you shove over his flop raise you will probably fold out all worse hands and get called by AQ and sets. I flat the raise on the flop and prolly check raise all in on any dimond and bet/call if a K comes. If you are not improved im probably going to check fold this on the turn unless you get a very small bet.
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10-20-2009 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Korlit
prolly I should have folded there, because I can only beat a draw at that point and I doubt he would ever raise with a draw.
I think you are being way to results oriented here. The best response you've gotten was from areaman who said you are not deep enough to fold. Folding AK on this flop for 40ish blinds is criminal.

The only thing I might do different is to raise to 6700 or so on the flop instead of pushing. The only reason to do so would be to give our opponent one last chance to continue bluffing if he is. Also, if I had reason to think my opponent would auto bet this board if I checked, I would check raise him.

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Yeah, he had AQ
AQ makes up such a small part of his range. Given your holdings and the board cards, there are only 6 combinations of AQ. Just for comparison, there are 24 combinations of JT your opponent can have.
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10-20-2009 , 01:51 PM
nh...you got outflopped with shallow stacks on a board where you can 3 bet shove flop for value...happens
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10-20-2009 , 01:53 PM
Raise more pre and bet more flop and fold to a raise.
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10-20-2009 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cap217
Raise more pre and bet more flop and fold to a raise.
pretty much disagree with both...can see calling his flop raise but sizing is fine all the way
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10-20-2009 , 02:00 PM
ranges are too wide to put him on AQ/A9 or 99 and we dont have the stack to find out.
if you play this flop the same way 100 times we will have a profit. and the 20% where we run into AQ/A9/99 is here in the forum.
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10-20-2009 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerBreed
This is a very drawy board and checking is bad because you give your opponents a free card

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+1

I think it's well played,flatting would be worse,turn card could worsen things up
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10-20-2009 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fixedset
Can you give me an example where AK flops an ace and its NOT a "way ahead or way behind" situation using your logic?
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Originally Posted by Mingdu
huh? You'll have to rephrase that ... I don't know what you mean.
Basically, do you think ace king is always way ahead or way behind on ANY flop containing an ace?
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10-20-2009 , 02:22 PM
I'm just a noob...but I agree with Furo...with no reads in an 8k guarantee you suck it up.
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10-20-2009 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ok1989
+1

I think it's well played,flatting would be worse,turn card could worsen things up
We have the backdoor nut flush, and if the 10 comes (not the 8) then we got a K for at least four more outs to the nuts although true say a bad turn could kill our action.
I just think that flatting and then check, shoving the turn > because you can extract more value from hands that won't call a 3bet but would shove the turn.
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10-20-2009 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by fixedset
Basically, do you think ace king is always way ahead or way behind on ANY flop containing an ace?
utg +1 raise and the CO flats ... so easy for the CO to play perfectly here when we raise the flop. 1st off what kind of hand does that ... no one has posted a possible range. If he misses, he folds. If he hits then we build his pot.

If we check we keep all those 2nd best hands in the pot.

I understand I'm in the minority here. I'm good with that.
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10-20-2009 , 02:36 PM
not betting this flop is an absolute nightmare.

make a case for A72, but there are so many turn cards we are going to hate. youre letting fd's, sd's, gutters, and a ton of QJ 9T type crap get there on you.
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10-20-2009 , 02:47 PM
After the flop you are 76% against QJ suited ... that is exactly the kind of hand you fold out, but want to stick, when you bet the flop.
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10-20-2009 , 02:49 PM
i prefer a bigger bet on flop but you played it good. sure the Q is a worry but when you hit TPTK this shallow your only concern should be how best to get all the money into the pot.

not betting this flop is imho truly horrendous!
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10-20-2009 , 03:06 PM
if you were deep i suppose it would be a fold but i ur shallow get it in, ya you got outflopped oh well gg
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10-20-2009 , 05:17 PM
Nothing you can do. I also would've shoved after his raise.
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10-20-2009 , 07:39 PM
stanadard play, it happens, pls always bet this flop, for my sake.
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