Hi guys,

Villains stats: MP3 34/32 32 hands this guy seemed pretty aggro
BTN 29/14 3Bet: 4% 58 CC btn: 100 (5hand) he was loose

I think mp3 push range is something like this: A10o+,A6s+, 22-JJ,
He wouldnt push with QQ+.
BTN seemed not too strong, this call usually means medium pps. 55-JJ. It might be also Ace, A2s+,A5o+, or KQo, KJs+. Of course it ll be slow play with QQ+ sometimes.
So, I felt this good spot to push.

What do u think guys???

Seems pretty optimistic to me. BTN is probably pretty strong here and you have no fold equity.

So, you would fold??

What can be btn's range here??

Would think villain would flat the top of his range, and ISO the middle part of his range.

BTN calls a 20bb shove with two big stacks yet to act, and you think BTN is "not too strong"? I mean, maybe BTN is just really bad, but almost no one calls off 20 BB shoves in that position with A5o or KJ. And most players in BTN's position will shove overtop if they decide to play a somewhat vulnerable hand like AQ or 66, to scare away slightly better hands. When they just call, it's almost always a monster that doesn't want to scare anyone else away.

Fold your 8s very quickly here. Sure, sometimes you'll see AJ and AQ and maybe wish you'd called, but you see a bigger pair (or two) so often here that you'll bust out a ton if you make these calls regularly.

Would had been happy to gii against MP3, but just fold now. I don't think u got enough equity to get involved here.

88 vs 4 overs is a bad bet. Unless they have same hand, you are against 3 or 4 overs or a better pair. You are in trouble... easy fold.

This.

Nevermind you have the VERY DEEP button to act yet. If his 3b% is 4%, over his 23-29%VPIP, I feel his a strong player. Even if this MP3 is open shoving a range of like kj+, that flat from the button SCREAMS strength. That and now he has like 5:1 or something like that to call. Fold, wait for a better spot.

folding.

yup fold pre.

Yeah I'm a bit hesitant to put MP3 on a loose range based solely on his HUD numbers. There is a chance he unsuccessfully played aggro and dwindled to less than 20bb, but I'm not positive that means he is shoving super light with 3 huge stacks left to go. The button's flatcall is a bit befuddling but have you ever seen anyone flat in that spot with a marginal hand? Maybe a small part of that range is a coinflip against you, but the majority is probably a dominating hand.

Feel free to disagree, but I feel as though MP3 shoving range is perhaps ATs+, ATo+, 22-AA, KQs, KQo. Just tough to see anyone with 20bb open-shoving with weaker. Then I feel the button's range is exceptionally tight, JJ+, AKs, AQs, AKo, AKs. All this leaves us with with considerably less equity vs button's range, which is the one who can bust us (around 31.5%, vs 43%...with MP3 grabbing the rest of the equity).

Telling yourself that these villians are making these moves wide is more likely you just trying to convince yourself not to fold 88. It's a tough laydown, but you gotta make it. Open shoving 20bb and flatting a 20bb shove are both pretty strong lines in my opinion.

easy fold here. With JJ you can find a fold here sometimes. QQ+ AQs+ should be your shoving range. A bit nitty, but better than 88.

Well, you won so it's hard to say it was a bad move. In a cash game it would be different, but sometimes you have to make the move thats the difference between winning the tournament or not. If you're positive that villain is shoving with Ax then you take your chances.

Ok guys, I got it. BTN's range will be much much stronger than my 88s, most of the time. I had luck at this time. MP3 had A7o, BTN had 77.

So, next time ll be easy fold.

Folding pre obv

i would say u got really lucky this hand, but its a long term losing spot. with the first all in im calling as i think a lot of Ax hands are jamming to collect limpers dead money +blinds & antes. once button flats that jam to induce more action from blinds im folding.