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 KQ facing c/r on the flop  KQ facing c/r on the flop

02-10-2010 , 07:06 PM
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MP2: t3200 M = 53.33
Hero (CO): t2795 M = 46.58
BTN: t2704 M = 45.07
SB: t6006 M = 100.10
BB: t6000 M = 100
UTG: t2805 M = 46.75
UTG+1: t2855 M = 47.58
MP1: t2795 M = 46.58

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is CO with Q K
2 folds, MP1 raises to t100, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, 2 folds, BB calls t60

Flop: (t320) Q 2 7 (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets t200, Hero calls t200, BB raises to t700, MP1 folds, Hero ?

Early no real reads.
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02-10-2010 , 07:07 PM
I would just fold unless I had reads BB was ******ed. C/Ring any hand QK beats seems so bad here. And unknowns don't C/R bluff two players I don't think.

Everytime I think they're repping nothing they always have it sadly.
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02-10-2010 , 07:42 PM
Fold guy would have to be godawful for us to be good here
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02-10-2010 , 07:44 PM
The fishy size looks like a set. A poorly played set.
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02-10-2010 , 07:51 PM
muck yo hand and move on with yo life.
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02-10-2010 , 09:44 PM
am i the only one folding this pre? definitely fold to the c/r.
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02-10-2010 , 09:54 PM
KQ fold, AQ don't
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02-10-2010 , 11:16 PM
Couple Basic Thoughts, Obviously AQ/22/77 are my top concerns with hands in his range. QQ discounted because I imagine he is raising pre with those type hands. My thought is if I flat this squeeze my line looks incredibly strong and it is highly unlikely that anything other than the nuts is going to lead out turn (22/77) and likely river. How often is this even a set, seems like a pretty silly line for a set to be taking here in the first place c/r a super dry board. So in theory my thinking is if we flat this we likely check down nearly all turn and even rivers if we flat here (assuming he doesn't have a set). Thoughts?

I think a balance between fold and call here isn't so bad, but certainly a fold isn't terrible. Folding pre seems redic nitty.
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02-10-2010 , 11:22 PM
I would also call. I give randoms who have doubled this early less credit as spewier players are more likely to double than good players.
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02-10-2010 , 11:40 PM
I don't see why folding pre here is nitty at all. Randomguy makes a decent point about people doubling up at this stage, but still, even in position, I'm not happy playing for stacks with KQo here, and that's what you are about to do. Fold pre, and fold now imo.
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02-10-2010 , 11:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenny7
I don't see why folding pre here is nitty at all. Randomguy makes a decent point about people doubling up at this stage, but still, even in position, I'm not happy playing for stacks with KQo here, and that's what you are about to do. Fold pre, and fold now imo.
I think pre is meh, and I would fold to more aggression from MP1, but BB can have so much garbage...
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02-10-2010 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RandomGuy2
I think pre is meh, and I would fold to more aggression from MP1, but BB can have so much garbage...
You know, when I think about it, you are right. I mean, you do worry about a set, but man o man, a random can have pretty much any Q in his range here. The problem I have though is, if we call, are there any cards in the deck that will help us next?

We pretty much have to decide if we are going all the way right now, because I will assume that no matter what, BB bets the turn, and since we are either way ahead, or drawing pretty much dead, this is it, and then again I come back to not being keen on playing for stacks with KQo.
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02-10-2010 , 11:59 PM
Fold pre and fold now.
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02-11-2010 , 12:41 AM
Calling with intentions of folding the turn if he shoves or leads is bad. If he overvalues a worse queen here enough to raise this much on the flop i would not expect him to slow down on the turn that much. So I would be making my mind up on the flop before commiting that much of my stack. I rather lose the small pot then play a guessing game for a big pot early.

I mean if you have time you could check his stats and look and see if hes horrible or something. In game multirooming im just laying this down without reads and moving on.

Pre fold or raise is good i think.
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02-11-2010 , 10:25 AM
I don't think pre is as clear a fold as people suggest. Position deep from CO with KQo isn't that bad imo.

And while your flop line has merit, I think his hand is way stronger. A more interesting hand is AQ where he could be bad enough to raise KQ.
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02-11-2010 , 06:45 PM
FWIW Results - I flat the raise, we check all the way down he shows QTo, KQ is good.
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02-11-2010 , 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mement_mori
Fold pre

gr8, king nit here to make preflop proclamations
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