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10-10-2010 , 06:04 PM

CaliStyle

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Full Tilt Poker $25K Super Stack (Early Antes) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds + t10 - 9 players
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SB: t6447 M = 26.86
BB: t9174 M = 38.23
UTG: t11979 M = 49.91
UTG+1: t2991 M = 12.46
Hero (UTG+2): t8910 M = 37.12
MP1: t5506 M = 22.94
MP2: t8795 M = 36.65
CO: t4287 M = 17.86
BTN: t2106 M = 8.78

Pre Flop: (t240) Hero is UTG+2 with K

2 folds, Hero raises to t250, MP1 calls t250, 3 folds, SB calls t200, 1 fold

Flop: (t940) K

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t400, MP1 raises to t950, SB folds, Hero calls t550

Turn: (t2840) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t1245, Hero ?

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10-10-2010 , 06:24 PM

fivetypes

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Might just fold the turn.

Its unlikely hes bluffing, and his sizing is good so im doubting its ever K10/KJ

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10-10-2010 , 06:27 PM

CaliStyle

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I think you are right here. Once I make a small bet on the dry board and call showing I have a hand he is probably not going nuts on the turn without a real hand.

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10-10-2010 , 09:33 PM

ndahlhoff10

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i check flop a bit, would fold now

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10-10-2010 , 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ndahlhoff10

i check flop a bit, would fold now

Why do you check flop?

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10-10-2010 , 10:02 PM

ndahlhoff10

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often times won't be able to get 3 streets of value, nor will i be bluffing 3streets w/much air. Also, makes you less ownable when you try to pot control qq-99

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10-10-2010 , 10:03 PM

CaliStyle

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Fair enough, I like it.

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10-10-2010 , 10:39 PM

itscml

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I'm with Dahlhoff; checking the flop is sexy.

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10-10-2010 , 11:25 PM

Gloki35

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Checking or betting the flop are both fine i think. Just mix it up a bit from time to time.
His line is a bit confusing cause the board is so dry... still he might measured his stack well and thought he needed to raise to get it in by the river with a set.
I'd fold now and take a note on the dry board raising.

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10-11-2010 , 01:01 AM

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jchauvin

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I probably fold to the flop raise unless i'd seen villain be really dumb before. Is this ever really a bluff?

bet/check flop, meh. usually bet.

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10-11-2010 , 06:26 AM

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Sinking Ship

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I think betting flop is superior because SB is still in the hand at this point and we're 3way, where a free card can cause you more strife than when HU.

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10-11-2010 , 06:28 AM

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HPAnigma

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call flop / fold turn... unless u have see him do crazy stuff...

pl in these stacks raise with hands like TT on these boards.. or generally mid pairs.... thinking u missed and they have to rep it... but the bet size on turn is huge he has it big % of the time

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10-11-2010 , 08:06 AM

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furo

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betting flop seems std, he hardly ever has a better king or kings up or two pair in general.

we cbet this board with air and so will we with our Kx or better.

therefore villain cant really fold mid pairs to one bet but might fold them OTT if we check flop. i think checking flop is RO thinking here.

yea we wont get 3 streets from worse but we should def bet the flop for value.

as played you have defined your range as KTs-AK/KK+(maybe JJ/QQ) imo and villains range for continuing after raising flop 3way seems pretty strong. he also choses a sizing that gives you odds to continue.
i think folding turn is fine.

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10-11-2010 , 02:04 PM

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mlagoo

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Originally Posted by furo

we cbet this board with air and so will we with our Kx or better.

fwiw this type of thinking is not all that helpful in tourneys in general nor in lower stakes tournaments specifically. too many other variables going on/too many weak players. i think checking flop here is pretty good, and im a fairly big cbet monkey. as played, i mean whatever, it's a sucky spot where we have a bluffcatcher oop against some random, rabblerabble hammeroffuturebetting rabblerabble, definitely fold turn, maybe fold flop.

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10-11-2010 , 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mlagoo

mlagoo is your plan to c/c all the way down if he fires the flop?

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10-11-2010 , 02:35 PM

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mlagoo

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not necessarily, would depend on sizing and what my heart told me. would usually call at least twice though.

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10-11-2010 , 02:39 PM

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DnBKid

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yeah with mlagoos line you have to c/c all 3 streets really b/c you never have a hand good enough to take heat. betting flop is fine for reasons stated earlier.

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