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70$ Final table, confusing river spot 70$ Final table, confusing river spot

10-31-2016 , 10:47 AM
8 handed, 6 paid. 1.6k up top
i have around 900k, roughly 2nd in chips
villain in hand has around 600k 4/5 in chips, rest of stacks are relatively short. Vill is also decent player and is aware of icm and hand reading etc.

10k/20k/3k

CO raises to 45k
Hero in sb calls Q10
BB calls

Flop(150k) :
579
check,check, CO bets 55k, hero calls, fold

Turn (260k) : A
check, CO bets 65k, hero raises 160k, CO calls

River (580k) : 7
Hero is all in. Villain had around 300k left behind at this point.

Would like some thoughts on the hand in general which i think is ok, pre is close i guess.

Issue was when it came to the river i tanked for a good 1-2 mins before shoving, was actually confused at this point if i should even shove?
like whats his turn calling range, that he then calls of on the river that i beat?
Is it ridiculous to consider c/f as his range consists of Ax , or boats
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10-31-2016 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Nal
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Issue was when it came to the river i tanked for a good 1-2 mins before shoving, was actually confused at this point if i should even shove?
like whats his turn calling range, that he then calls of on the river that i beat?
Is it ridiculous to consider c/f as his range consists of Ax , or boats
I'm curious here too.

I feel like if he has a set he's reraising the turn, particularly with the flush out there, so I'm discounting the boat at the end.

When you raise the A and he just calls, I'm figuring he's either lesser FD, high Ax, TT+ maybe? I def think c/f would be crazy - if it is Axs or Kxs then so be it, but I feel like I'm discounting that too cuz if I were him with that, I'd have 3bet your turn raise. Might might c/c tho instead of the push - what's folding the river that called the turn that you don't beat?
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10-31-2016 , 01:46 PM
3bet pre if willain open range wide or shortest stack is very shallow. As played never raising this turn, and i'm not sure if we get enough odds to call there: we have 1/5 odds, while we have only around 18% to hit our flush and having in mind, that if we do hit, we not gonna be paid more most of the time or sometimes even loose to a high flush.
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10-31-2016 , 05:34 PM
You could x/c turn for that price, but I think you played it fine, OP.
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11-01-2016 , 09:23 AM
Would c/r/gii flop for sure.
SPR is slightly over 3 and you stack him. ICM is your friend here and you have tons of equity
Obv I like turn too but the flop spot seems better.

Last edited by furo; 11-01-2016 at 09:28 AM.
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11-01-2016 , 09:58 AM
Why is pre close? Unless he is super aggro i flatting is standard surely.. and 3 bet if hes super wide..ilike check raising the flop too this board smashes your flatting range vs his raising... I don't like your c/r on the turn though.. sizings are super gay from the pair of you here wtf is going on? What's your plan if he jams on you?
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11-01-2016 , 08:16 PM
I would check/call the river. I think the flush that beats you might check it back and save you a lot of chips. He also may turn AK or some such into a bluff and give you all his chips. Nothing that beats you is folding and nothing you beat will call an all-in. Of course you will pay off a few winners, but as played you're paying off the winners anyway.

The way he played it I'd be pretty sure he had A-X here and if the X is a 7 or another A or it's A-X clubs or he has 99 or whatever you have to pay it off, cest la vie. But if you c/c instead of betting I think you will lose less and win more in the long run.

Last edited by 2pairsof2s; 11-01-2016 at 08:23 PM.
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11-03-2016 , 01:15 PM
Tough spot for sure!

Preflop, I personally prefer 3-betting or folding these hands, but I'm still adapting my game here. I just feel that QT is dominated so often against most common non-button opening ranges. In the BB, I call without hesitation.
I like a raise on the flop and probably would raise, but then I wouldn't like a 3-bet from villain too much!... So calling is fine too at this price.
On the turn, you are definitely priced in to call. The raise has kind of the same advantages and disadvantages than on the flop, with an even stronger problem against a re-raise from villain.
On the river, well... Wow!... I think check/calling is fine, and better than betting. But that's a very hard decision to make I think. I don't like check/folding because you will have too many players in these tournaments that do not think about ranges, but only see their hand (like straight, lower flush, maybe even A9) and can't wait to get it in, not seeing that they are so crushed by your calling range.
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11-03-2016 , 07:42 PM
Shove flop after the bet.
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11-05-2016 , 07:36 AM
x/r flop we have heaps of equity and that board hit our range hard, not so much OR.

Why x/r the turn? as OR the ace is a good card for his range not ours
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