7.5k post: raise/folding AQo for fun and profit
10-08-2008
, 11:27 AM
Great post slim. Just for fun (and profit?) I ran the same thing through Stox EV. You can simulate these things pretty quick once you know what you're doing - I set up this sim in a few minutes. Anyway the results match yours. If anyone's interested, here's how it looks (nb the ranges are truncated):
And here's the graph. Two things to note:
- X is the calling range of BTN using the default hand ranges (I think SK), but you can configure your own range.
- The graph is the EV of the raise/fold - not the EV difference. As we know from slims, the EV of the open fold is 0.3 something, you reducing the points by that you can see it matches the same as slims graph.
Anywho the advantage of this - other than probably being a bit quicker than doing the maths in a spreadsheet - is you can easily play around with the sim and make it more realistic - e.g. you can set SB and BB calling after the BTN overpush. Or you can quickly switch to doing a min-raise and change ranges accordingly, and see how that affects the results.
And here's the graph. Two things to note:
- X is the calling range of BTN using the default hand ranges (I think SK), but you can configure your own range.
- The graph is the EV of the raise/fold - not the EV difference. As we know from slims, the EV of the open fold is 0.3 something, you reducing the points by that you can see it matches the same as slims graph.
Anywho the advantage of this - other than probably being a bit quicker than doing the maths in a spreadsheet - is you can easily play around with the sim and make it more realistic - e.g. you can set SB and BB calling after the BTN overpush. Or you can quickly switch to doing a min-raise and change ranges accordingly, and see how that affects the results.
10-08-2008
, 11:47 AM
of a post. Thx for putting this together. 
10-08-2008
, 07:49 PM
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06-01-2010
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06-01-2010
, 11:56 PM
Nice bump! 
And Great post OP
OOC if u see this Slim, you said
[QUOTE=Slim Pickens;6512463]I worry that a minraise is going to open up BTN's pushing range. Just eyeballing the plots, if he expands his range another 10%, it would take care of that difference for sure. This seems plausible to me, especially if you consider getting flatted preflop and having to play OOP postflop as basically just you losing the hand anyway. You do get some of that back if you can open up the short stacks ranges, but I already gave them pretty wide ranges to start./QUOTE]
the minraise might open up BTN's pushing range, but I I think that works in our favor in the long run if we are up against a random... When random villains flat, I think its profitable to cbet 100 %. When villain raises we can let it go, but I doubt their range changes all that much from a 2.5x raise to minraise (partly because some don't see it as a weaker bet , and some think you are trapping).
... The difference is a BB imo
And Great post OPOOC if u see this Slim, you said
[QUOTE=Slim Pickens;6512463]I worry that a minraise is going to open up BTN's pushing range. Just eyeballing the plots, if he expands his range another 10%, it would take care of that difference for sure. This seems plausible to me, especially if you consider getting flatted preflop and having to play OOP postflop as basically just you losing the hand anyway. You do get some of that back if you can open up the short stacks ranges, but I already gave them pretty wide ranges to start./QUOTE]
the minraise might open up BTN's pushing range, but I I think that works in our favor in the long run if we are up against a random... When random villains flat, I think its profitable to cbet 100 %. When villain raises we can let it go, but I doubt their range changes all that much from a 2.5x raise to minraise (partly because some don't see it as a weaker bet , and some think you are trapping).
... The difference is a BB imo
06-02-2010
, 12:36 AM
[QUOTE=smiteme;19310609]Nice bump! And Great post OP
OOC if u see this Slim, you said
Agree with this. It seems to me that a min-raise looks stronger to the BTN, not weaker.
And Great post OPOOC if u see this Slim, you said
Quote:
I worry that a minraise is going to open up BTN's pushing range. Just eyeballing the plots, if he expands his range another 10%, it would take care of that difference for sure. This seems plausible to me, especially if you consider getting flatted preflop and having to play OOP postflop as basically just you losing the hand anyway. You do get some of that back if you can open up the short stacks ranges, but I already gave them pretty wide ranges to start./QUOTE]
the minraise might open up BTN's pushing range, but I I think that works in our favor in the long run if we are up against a random... When random villains flat, I think its profitable to cbet 100 %. When villain raises we can let it go, but I doubt their range changes all that much from a 2.5x raise to minraise (partly because some don't see it as a weaker bet , and some think you are trapping).
... The difference is a BB imo
the minraise might open up BTN's pushing range, but I I think that works in our favor in the long run if we are up against a random... When random villains flat, I think its profitable to cbet 100 %. When villain raises we can let it go, but I doubt their range changes all that much from a 2.5x raise to minraise (partly because some don't see it as a weaker bet , and some think you are trapping).
... The difference is a BB imo
