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11-24-2011 , 03:14 AM

crazittle

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after putting all villains reasonable calling ranges, wiz said hero should push 77+, AT+ here. is there anybody pushing wider than what wiz said?

3 ppl with similar stack sizes here.

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 300/600 Blinds (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t3421)
Hero (UTG) (t3450)
Button (t2920)
SB (t17209)

Hero's M: 3.83

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2

, 2

Hero ??

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11-24-2011 , 03:53 AM

emitnulB

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I'd probably go a bit wider, but not as wide as 22. I think I'd probably include like 66+,KTs+,KJo+ and A8s+

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11-24-2011 , 06:01 AM

Cpt.Hero

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I would shove like 25% here. So 22 is a shove for me.
That would be my Range: 22+ A2s+ A4o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s
Reason is that the Blinds are very high and you have to pay the BB next Hand.

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11-24-2011 , 06:06 AM

BeMyATMplz

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I'm surely folding this.
Overall it depends a bit who the bigstack is.
If he's gonna be aggressive and will abuse the chip situation of all 3 of you,folding makes sense. People @ $7s are pretty bad and impatient (the non-regs at least,but even the regs call way too wide),so chances are you may be able to just fold through to 2nd.
If he's a random fish then he's likely to call your shove with a wide range,which would also be a disaster for you.
I'd probably not go lower than 66 here in terms of pockets

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11-24-2011 , 10:55 AM

TomoDaK

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Wiz often spits out super tight ranges here, gonna have to figure it out on your own

I'm snap shoving that 22 tho

emitbul that seems way too tight!

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11-24-2011 , 11:41 AM

Lol 7%

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As long as fruitlupes isn't the SB then shove it.

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11-24-2011 , 12:12 PM

Mecastyles

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Originally Posted by Lol 7%

As long as fruitlupes isn't the SB then shove it.

hi penfold

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11-24-2011 , 12:47 PM

ginandbread

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I think this is the last cycle where you have decent fold equity so you have to push this.
BTN calling range is easy to know so variables that mostly dictates your range are:
1. BB calling range
2. If big stack won't steal 100% of time. Then you must push even wider.

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11-24-2011 , 02:04 PM

dybboss

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wow, you get dealt nuts utg AND you are covering both other shorties in case of a 3way, yet you ask?
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11-24-2011 , 04:51 PM

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emitnulB

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Originally Posted by TomoDaK

emitbul that seems way too tight!

Yeah, maybe. I guess there's like no difference between 66 and 22 here since you aren't getting called by 5x and you can probably push JTs+ too due to it's equity vs calling ranges.

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11-24-2011 , 06:55 PM

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TomoDaK

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66 and 22 are quite a bit different actually! Put it in wiz and see how the cEV and $ev values differ you'd be surprised.

15% is definitely too tight

I mean if you put this in wiz with some ranges it probably gives you similar range with 0 edge, but we should be taking a big negative edge. Bigger the blinds the more icm breaks down, with a hand like 22 you are probably making ~500 chips by pushing which is enormous and is absurd to pass on

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11-24-2011 , 07:01 PM

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Mecastyles

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22 is actually very close

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