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01-22-2010 , 01:49 AM
I will do a full review of 3 entire tournaments for 3 SSMTT/MTTC regs that post in this thread and regularly contribute to the forums. Both the raw hand histories and my analysis will both be posted in this thread, so don't bother applying if you want to keep it private. I want it to go to some deserving people, so help me pick out the gems. I'll do 180s, or large field MTTs.

If anyone else has any other random questions I guess I'll answer those too
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01-22-2010 , 01:53 AM
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01-22-2010 , 01:54 AM
Which HUD do you use?

Do you have a ritual before you call an all in bet, like persay wait a few seconds or minimize the screen after you have called?

Do you perfer all ins pre flop, or would you rather out play them on the flop?
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01-22-2010 , 01:55 AM
He's also offering 4 hours private coach to the third person who replies to this thread. OH SNAPZ
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01-22-2010 , 01:58 AM
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Which HUD do you use?

Do you have a ritual before you call an all in bet, like persay wait a few seconds or minimize the screen after you have called?

Do you perfer all ins pre flop, or would you rather out play them on the flop?
i have pt3, never use it. HEM is by far the best, dont use that either though

ive gotten into a habit of clicking my mouse a few times to the beat of whatever song im listening to, it accomplishes nothing, but it keeps me in a rhythm and good spirits i guess

depends on the stack sizes...contrary to popular belief though, i love post flop play
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01-22-2010 , 01:59 AM
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He's also offering 4 hours private coach to the third person who replies to this thread. OH SNAPZ
doubt it
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01-22-2010 , 02:05 AM
I'll ask random questions

Do you think 45 mans above the $27 level are worth playing? Thoughts on the current and future state of 18/45/180 man SNG's in general? What adjustments need to be made when transitioning from something like 180's to large field MTT's?
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01-22-2010 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CBorders
I'll ask random questions

Do you think 45 mans above the $27 level are worth playing? Thoughts on the current and future state of 18/45/180 man SNG's in general? What adjustments need to be made when transitioning from something like 180's to large field MTT's?
Yes still worth playing, mostly for rakeback purposes. don't knock rakeback though, there's tons of money to be made from it, especially with 5.5vpps per dollar. You need to be a very good player though to play the 60s, they are more reg infested than 100rs, thankfully the regs are much worse

180s are fine, more regs, bigger swings, whatever, thats poker. im playing very few 180s this yr, and am focusing on playing very few tables and switching my play up between sites, but ive played a few thousand 180s in the last few months, and not much has changed. the average person calls lighter, just make adjustments

ive played so few 18 mans i dont know or care



biggest adjustments definitely are being able to identify the tendencies of people better and coming up with more creative lines than bet/bet/shove. sizing matters a lot more as well, it's pretty much everything. think about how youre going to size everything and try to balance between your bluff and value range, sizing really doesnt matter in 180s/45s at all. by sizing im referring more to postflop than to preflop play. thats another difference obviously is preflop play, stacks will be deeper, so you have to get more creative, be able to identify dynamic, and go with your gut. be very aware of your image at all times as well.
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01-22-2010 , 02:14 AM
random stream-of-thought questions... did you build your way up on your own grinding out MTTs/SNGs or did you take a backing deal? a little bit of both? how long were you playing until you had your first big (4 figure+) score?
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01-22-2010 , 02:25 AM
Reasons why you should pick me...

I put a lot of time and effort into trying to improve my game.

I'm not a douche, freak, or weird dude.

I spend a decent amount of time in Beginners, trying to help noobies.

I've predominantly been a STT guy, but very much want to improve in MTTs so your advice would go a long way with me.

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01-22-2010 , 02:27 AM
please tell me why nobody ever plays 90 mans? They are way less popular than 45's or 180's and there are very few regs on here. It seems like people always miss them out. For eg. :
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Thoughts on the current and future state of 18/45/180 man SNG's in general?
Is there something im missing? Are they less profitable or something?

I personally think they are great and are my preferred tourney...
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01-22-2010 , 02:30 AM
I grinded out everything on my own until about 6 weeks ago. I spent 3 months traveling Europe, got robbed, and was very low on money. I got home and had a lot of bills to catch up on, and then I went on the worst run of my life and busted my last 8k. I have a very unique backing deal which allows me a lot of flexibility to play what I want, and make money even when I'm deep in makeup, so it's a very ideal setup, and I really doubt I'll go back to playing on my own money anytime in the near future, or ever.

I grinded up a ton from nothing though, Bakes staked me in the Sunday Lotto before anyone knew who I was. I got to keep only 20% but it was a small enough amount to give me money to grind on. . I built it to about $100 playing .01/.02 and .02/.05. I couldn't beat .05/.10 so I took some time off from poker. I started college and played some SNGs, I grinded up from $1 45 mans, $3 45 mans, $4.40s into a nice 800ish roll over the course of m first semester. I took a shot in a $11 sat to the mil and went deep, and made like $1600, I cashed this out instantly though instead of adding it to my bankroll. I used the money, my birthday money, and my christmas money to buy myself 2 22inch monitors and a topline CPU before I was even beating $5 SNGs, because I knew it would motivate me to become better. My friend also bought me SNGPT for Christmas that year, I spent all of break running hand histories through the program and messing around with it. That had the single biggest impact on my game, as I became very proficient in ICM before I even knew how to play poker. I started grinding seriously in January and moved from the 3.40s, to the 6.50s to the 16s. I crushed until April and then went on a downer in $16s. I took a deal being backed in 12s, shipped 2 the first day, then dumped it all back the next. I was upset and didn't know what i wanted to do with poker. I flew out to Vegas to visit with WCG|Rider and he coached me in cash, but that transition has never worked for me, I definitely learned a lot though. I got home and from May until August all I did was grind 6-12 45 mans and $12/180s, I played no MTTs and no 36s. I crushed that summer and made close to 40k including a $12.5k WSOP seat from a TLB freeroll. I took time off and played sparingly with school, but got started in MTT seriously during that December when they had a TLB Race for passports. I was playing 12-20 hours a day because there was literally nothing to do since my rgandparents lived in the middle of nowhere. I had a few good scores and have been mixing in MTTs with my SNGs ever since. I'm trying to phase out the SNG aspect and focus on becoming a better player though, instead of that guy who is always playing 30 tables, though I do feel like I am one of the best mass-tablers online, and I'm probably sacrificing short-term equity by not playing as many as I can. I've wasted a lot of time though, and it's about time I got super good, because I'm able to put in the volume, and the combination of the 2 will be deadly. I am only good at poker because of the friends I've made, I've figured a fair amount of stuff out on my own, but if it wasn't for my group of friends pushing me to become better, I'd probably still be 35 tabling $6-$12 SNGs
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01-22-2010 , 02:34 AM
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please tell me why nobody ever plays 90 mans? They are way less popular than 45's or 180's and there are very few regs on here. It seems like people always miss them out. For eg. :


Is there something im missing? Are they less profitable or something?

I personally think they are great and are my preferred tourney...
I don't play 90mans because I boycotted them in protest over how dumb they were. Stars does a lot of things to try to break apart the player base for 180 man turbos. Including but not limited to: $12/90 mans, $7/180 mans, $3r 180 mans, and then they have in the $12/180 lobby that there is a cheaper version available for $1 less, yet they fail to mention it takes half the time. I'd gain a lot of respect for stars if the lobby for an $11/180 said something like "Attention: If you want to spend less than half the time and play for more money, you should sign up for the $12 alternative, as it actually loads once every 5 minutes, as opposed to 5 times a day". At least they'd be consistent then
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01-22-2010 , 02:43 AM
Hey, Lipo. I used to follow you, because you're such an active poster and actually I've always enjoyed your writing. You know, I was very impressed with your comeback a few weeks back, your confidence and work ethic are amazing. Thanks to you now I realize that VOLUME is the single most important thing... You motivate me to grind harder, hehe

Good luck at the tables.
Corey.
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01-22-2010 , 02:57 AM
Lipo please pick me because I just busted the nightly 70k and I feel I am cursed by that tournament and you crush the 55 fo's. You could review my deepest run in that tourney or the $25 $25k gtd I final tabled recently.

Very cool that you are doing this btw.
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01-22-2010 , 03:04 AM
I'm under the impression that more people are understanding the concept of pushing but how do you mess around with your calling range?

It is just a matter of experimentation in game and just recognizing who the player is and the significance of his stack in comparison to the tournament in general (factoring whether the individual is mass tabling, playing to win or just make the money... etc)


Could you also comment on making -EV shoves for +EV spots later specifically to a 2/180?I've lurked around and came across this term quite frequently.

At times I'll shove like QJs or JTs early to middle position when the blinds are like 100/200 with antes + with like 1600-2500 chips just cause I'd prefer to stick it in with some equity rather than get blinded down to like 1400 and shove atc anyways...

Could this work?
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01-22-2010 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by OMGSwineFlu
I'm under the impression that more people are understanding the concept of pushing but how do you mess around with your calling range?

It is just a matter of experimentation in game and just recognizing who the player is and the significance of his stack in comparison to the tournament in general (factoring whether the individual is mass tabling, playing to win or just make the money... etc)


Could you also comment on making -EV shoves for +EV spots later specifically to a 2/180?I've lurked around and came across this term quite frequently.

At times I'll shove like QJs or JTs early to middle position when the blinds are like 100/200 with antes + with like 1600-2500 chips just cause I'd prefer to stick it in with some equity rather than get blinded down to like 1400 and shove atc anyways...

Could this work?

Calling ranges take a lot of work, just come up for a good default against randoms and stick with it. I'm obviously not going to give you this range, but use pokerstove some. After this you're going to come across regulars that almost will always push wider than your default, just take note of how wide each specific person pushes and loosen up your calling range accordingly. You should both be adjusting until you reach an equilibrium, then things are easy again until they start trying to push wider again. Not a huge concern in lower stakes games though, just be sure to always keep current on the regs you're playing against and realize that poker isn't a static game.

What you just suggested doesnt really sound very -EV to me at all, it seems close'ish with a 2.5k stack. In a 2/180 they're folding so much I honestly doubt you could ever make a -cEV shove without making a conscious effort to be ****ing awful though.


Parts Unknown you are first on the potential list since I recognize you as a regular contributor. Can't confirm you'll be it though as I want to see who all is interested and decide accordingly
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01-22-2010 , 03:25 AM
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My friend also bought me SNGPT for Christmas that year, I spent all of break running hand histories through the program and messing around with it. That had the single biggest impact on my game, as I became very proficient in ICM before I even knew how to play poker.
Where would you recommend someone starting to learning ICM, it's one of the adjustments I've been having problems with trying to transition to 45 mans from MTT's. What program do you recommend stove, sngwiz? know of any good programs for a mac (pretty huge beat for poker software)

Thoughts on tilt sng's 45's, and 90 turbo ko's compared to stars 180's and 45 turbos?
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01-22-2010 , 03:31 AM
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Calling ranges take a lot of work, just come up for a good default against randoms and stick with it. I'm obviously not going to give you this range, but use pokerstove some. After this you're going to come across regulars that almost will always push wider than your default, just take note of how wide each specific person pushes and loosen up your calling range accordingly. You should both be adjusting until you reach an equilibrium, then things are easy again until they start trying to push wider again. Not a huge concern in lower stakes games though, just be sure to always keep current on the regs you're playing against and realize that poker isn't a static game.

What you just suggested doesnt really sound very -EV to me at all, it seems close'ish with a 2.5k stack. In a 2/180 they're folding so much I honestly doubt you could ever make a -cEV shove without making a conscious effort to be ****ing awful though.


Parts Unknown you are first on the potential list since I recognize you as a regular contributor. Can't confirm you'll be it though as I want to see who all is interested and decide accordingly
Thanks a lot Lipo,
Do you have a specific example where you could make a -EV shove for +EV shoves later?

Given the variance with the large mtt's what are you going to play buffer a potential downswing? the 180s still or are you transitioning elsewhere?
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01-22-2010 , 04:57 AM
Hey Lipo congrats

pick me pick me pls btw
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01-22-2010 , 05:00 AM
who do you love the most, Marie Digby, Hayley W. or me?

what do you think about my game?

what do you think off my fail being too drunk to find the Airport in London when we and the amazing JoeJoe spend the day together? How much off a fail was it not being able to find the right way at the airport and totally blowing it, cause I was amazingly wasted?

How bad off a karma was it that Joe railed me and I lost a big Pot with AJ vs. A7 that crippled me in the EPT London? Do you still like him after he did that to me?

Will the Colts totally win the Superbowl for the next 10 years?

what do you think off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0FVQ1OChnw song?

I'll ask more later, thanks Marty <3
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01-22-2010 , 07:00 AM
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who do you love the most, Marie Digby, Hayley W. or me?

what do you think about my game?

what do you think off my fail being too drunk to find the Airport in London when we and the amazing JoeJoe spend the day together? How much off a fail was it not being able to find the right way at the airport and totally blowing it, cause I was amazingly wasted?

How bad off a karma was it that Joe railed me and I lost a big Pot with AJ vs. A7 that crippled me in the EPT London? Do you still like him after he did that to me?

Will the Colts totally win the Superbowl for the next 10 years?

what do you think off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0FVQ1OChnw song?

I'll ask more later, thanks Marty <3
Longest brag post I've seen in awhile :P
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01-22-2010 , 09:36 AM
Posting here so I might be in, pick me please. I could contribute a HH of a 7 or 12/180 Man or one of the daily 7.50 Turbo MTT / 5pm EST on Stars fwiw. Just saying as I could imagine there's more interest in 55's or whatever.

My only question to you Lipo, or anyone else, can I still watch the 45 Man vid that was part of some other "k"post iirc?
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01-22-2010 , 09:56 AM
omgomgomgomg plz pick me lipo, I'm going to cry if not.

I think my biggest leak besides spewing is to understand in which spot with given stack and what hand shoving or r/c is the best play. I got better with that alrady but way to go. You have a uniform rule you're following on that ?

And ty for your effort.
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01-22-2010 , 09:58 AM
Hey Lipo...good stuff

More than happy to have you tear on of my rounds apart but there are probably others who you should grab first.

Keep wandering in ssmtt...always enjoy your posts and discussions
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