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08-27-2009 , 10:39 AM
First limper is awful at sngs, second is a random. Flat caller is some breakeven reg who might be the tightest reg ever. That being said im not sure hes that good, but his range is certainly sth like TT+ AK here. He has 3bet me before early in sngs, and usually flats AK vs me, so i would guess he prob[EDIT] 3bets KK and dunno what he does w/ QQ

Poker Stars $55+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t1500 M = 50
Hero (CO): t1260 M = 42
BTN: t1470 M = 49
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1500 M = 50
UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1530 M = 51
UTG+2: t1500 M = 50
MP1: t1760 M = 58.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is CO with T A
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t120, BTN calls t120, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls t100, 1 fold

Flop: (t410) T 4 7 (3 players)
UTG+2 bets t300

Good spot to shove to isolate UTG+2, or does nitreg sighcall with all overpairs?

Last edited by TwistedEcho; 08-27-2009 at 10:53 AM.
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08-27-2009 , 10:47 AM
if nitreg isn't good, then he probably sighcalls. if he's thinking then he folds JJ and maybe QQ, but never KK. but you said his 3-bet range is QQ+, so those hands shouldn't be in his range most of the time, anyway. i think it's pretty close, and if you iso-shove and he calls you can always take a note on him that says he can't fold overpairs.. but clearly you're ahead of UTG2's range, but i don't think that's what you're asking.
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08-27-2009 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckpalms04
if nitreg isn't good, then he probably sighcalls. if he's thinking then he folds JJ and maybe QQ, but never KK. but you said his 3-bet range is QQ+, so those hands shouldn't be in his range most of the time, anyway. i think it's pretty close, and if you iso-shove and he calls you can always take a note on him that says he can't fold overpairs.. but clearly you're ahead of UTG2's range, but i don't think that's what you're asking.
I think this is good, as well this is probobly the lower and of your range for both iso-raising and shoving over, so this can be used later against him when he thinks your a bit too laggy.
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08-27-2009 , 11:07 AM
This is one nasty spot, but I have the feeling a fold is best here.
If he's as nitty as you say and he calls with TT+/AK, then you have the chance to fold out AK and JJ?, and depending on how solid he is QQ.
In which case this seems like a fold to me with so little invested here.

If you expect him to 3bet AA/KK, then you will fold out AK/JJ, and get snapped by TT, and he will probably think about JJ/QQ.
Then again if he folds JJ/QQ on this flop he's basically been setmining and he may as well call with all his PPs. So I doubt he will put those hands down, and it will also very much depend on his view of you, which I cannot judge.

So I would only shove if you think he's capable of folding AK,JJ and QQ.
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08-27-2009 , 11:11 AM
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Then again if he folds JJ/QQ on this flop he's basically been setmining and he may as well call with all his PPs.
don't agree, the action so far has defined the fact i have a hand that almost certainly is Tx+ and as such can act accordingly.

Normally its just me raising, him calling and me cbetting which doesnt let him narrow my range
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08-27-2009 , 11:16 AM
I'm folding this preflop. Too nitty ?
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08-27-2009 , 11:17 AM
Ok fair enough.

Do you have a good enough read on him to know if he will fold JJ/QQ here? Cause that seems to me like the main issue to this hand.
If he can't then you're just folding out AK.
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08-27-2009 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by mugenjin
I'm folding this preflop. Too nitty ?
I have a feeling that people in 60s are more tight in general, so you need to take as much spots as possible for some additional value if you see one, and obv TE is good postflop. In 16s there's a big chance a good opportunity comes along anyway, so you can afford to be nittier I guess.
Not sure if this makes any sense btw.
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08-27-2009 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Deurdy
Ok fair enough.

Do you have a good enough read on him to know if he will fold JJ/QQ here? Cause that seems to me like the main issue to this hand.
If he can't then you're just folding out AK.
If i did, i probably wouldn't post this!

Im asking do people think i have a chance to get some silly $60 nitreg to fold QQ/JJ here or will he just call cause he sucks.

IDK what he does here, but i do know there is one way to find out! Just wondering what other ppl thought tho
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08-27-2009 , 11:32 AM
I like the shove + "take a note if he calls line". I think folding is bad since UTG is probably going broke here with all 10's and and maybe with something worse. And also if u shove your line looks so JJ+ and even if he's bad he should understand it, so JJ should be fold. QQ is prob close for him but hard to say for sure.
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08-27-2009 , 11:34 AM
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Not sure if this makes any sense btw.
It does.

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Im asking do people think i have a chance to get some silly $60 nitreg to fold QQ/JJ here or will he just call cause he sucks.
I wouldn't count on him folding.
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08-27-2009 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedEcho
Im asking do people think i have a chance to get some silly $60 nitreg to fold QQ/JJ here
I think chances are pretty slim, so if you want a yes or no kinda answer, I would say 'no'.
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08-27-2009 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mugenjin
I'm folding this preflop. Too nitty ?
nits ITT too, arggggh!

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08-27-2009 , 11:43 AM
Probably pretty small weight on AA/KK/TT, so it's mostly AK/JJ/QQ. Thinking he mostly folds JJ unless he hates you, which is a coup, and mostly calls QQ, against which you have some equity + deadish money. Seems like a close shove
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08-27-2009 , 11:52 AM
confused

so the awful limper donks and we dont see what the nitreg does and you ask how to act accordingly to the reg?

if the reg flats/raises we can easily get away, if our friend folds we can happily miniraise/shove.

did i get something wrong?
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08-27-2009 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by clownklauen
confused

so the awful limper donks and we dont see what the nitreg does and you ask how to act accordingly to the reg?

if the reg flats/raises we can easily get away, if our friend folds we can happily miniraise/shove.

did i get something wrong?
He acts after us
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08-27-2009 , 11:57 AM
Why are you raising a marginal hand multiway at t20? as played of course he will call overpairs on a relatively dry board.
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08-27-2009 , 11:58 AM
Bog standard easy fold pre for me, but then maybe it's a different universe up in $60 land
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08-27-2009 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedEcho
nits ITT too, arggggh!


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08-27-2009 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ImmortalTechnique
Why are you raising a marginal hand multiway at t20? as played of course he will call overpairs on a relatively dry board.
Because i like money. Thanks for the input tho!
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08-27-2009 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedEcho
Because i like money. Thanks for the input tho!
Well then apparently you've figured out some new way to make plays like this profitable that no one else has before you. Or you're just advertising, which is fine but you might want to be a little more subtle about it.
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08-27-2009 , 12:14 PM
thanx te, thought mp2 was the reg.

i fold now.because i like money imo
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08-27-2009 , 01:01 PM
I would shove. I think you can get rid of jj and no pair from his range, while putting him on the fence with qq, plus as you said, he probably doesn't have kk or aa here since he didn't reraise pre. Reasoning on jj and maybe qq folding falls under my assuming that the reason for his preflop nittyness is his fear that you have aces (and when you shove the flop after action in front, you continue to represent this).
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08-27-2009 , 01:02 PM
easiest fold ever pf...

terrible to stack in first level post flop with top pair imo...

seriously
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08-27-2009 , 01:18 PM
yeah rep bullets imo solved, pro tip: type 72o before you shove to make him convulse and fold.
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