Raising to 450

If you raise 40% - call 10% vs SB
raise 40%- call 30% vs BB

SB should shove 15% and BB 22%

This makes your raise/folds with the bottom of your raising range +0.8%

If you shove 40%

they should call with 6% and 17%

Shoving the bottom of this range: 67s
is worth +0.4%

The top of your raising/calling range is also more profitable this way, because you get it in against a wider range.
Maybe the bottom of your raise/calling range becomes a bit less profitable though.


You should work this out for your entire range and see what is more profitable, but that's a lot of work.

this is very interesting, but doesn't really apply, because it's different against SB and BB.

if you say so...

allin of course, especially with the antes.

This is basically correct. Basically you raise to 2.5x with hands you would be very happy to call allins with, and also hands you may fold. With hands that are totally unexploitable but where you want to discourage action, just go allin yourself. 77 falls into this range. Our stack size is small enough where using this kind of rule of thumb makes sense.

Also I think it's fine to make a raise to like 500 and fold to the BB with certain hands, so it is still relevant here despite the SB/BB discrepency. Like if you just felt like stealing with A5o for whatever reason, wouldn't be the end of life to raise/fold. Also you should tend to raise smaller with hands like AA-JJ etc
If you have QJs, 66 or whatever you need to just open allin.

I think JJ is a better hand to small raise than AK for sure, because there are almost no hands that we will discourage playing against us by pushing, that we actually want to discourage. Hope the way I phrased that makes sense.

For instance if we have AK they might play with us with stuff like QJs, 66, 33, 22, some of which are big disasters if we could have made them fold. If we have JJ, they are going to play AQ+ against us no matter what we do. The only hand that we want to fold that might reraise us now is KQ, but whatever. Main point is that I'd be more likely to standard raise JJ but push AK, although perfectly reasonable to make standard raise with AK here too to entice a push.

curtains saves the day and thread.

thanks curtains. i feel warm and tingly reading that.

Shove shove mcgove. Raise calling lets him reshove too many hands you are racing with that he would otherwise fold. If you feel you are being exploitable raise/fold some hands or open shove AA.

It may be exploitable but it will almost never actually be exploited. Still say shove though