Is this a standard laydown or would you guys call and reeval on turn if no club comes? I know it's a big portion of our stack to call off and I was leaning towards a fold but I'm wondering if I'm being too nitty in this spot.


Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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MP2: t1770
CO: t1455
Hero (BTN): t1455
SB: t1320
BB: t1260
UTG: t1500
UTG+1: t1695
UTG+2: t1440
MP1: t1605

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with A Q
4 folds, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t120, SB calls t105, 1 fold, MP2 calls t90

Flop: (t390) 7 Q 8 (3 players)
SB bets t390, MP2 calls t390


Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.50 Sit & Go (Turbo) No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t1770
CO: t1455
Hero (BTN): t1455
SB: t1320
BB: t1260
UTG: t1500
UTG+1: t1695
UTG+2: t1440
MP1: t1605

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with A Q
4 folds, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t120, SB calls t105, 1 fold, MP2 calls t90

Flop: (t390) 7 Q 8 (3 players)
SB bets t390, MP2 calls t390, Hero: ??????

With 2 players showing strength, I'd probably fold here.

I don't mind limping with AQo in the first few levels, but with the button and only one limper I'd raise more often than not. On the flop I'd shove and never flat call. I doubt SB comes out potting it with a set so I think he's likely to have paired the Q with a decent kicker. MP looks like a pretty big fish so I'd put him on some kind of draw, random anything really.

I would shove over on this flop not call. You got the flop you wanted and you gotta think you are ahead here. Plus there is a FD out here so i dont think MP2 flats a set here he would most likely rrai. Shove and expect to see KQ call and maybe a FD too.

I fold this. You need to fade too many flush and straight cards vs. two opponents. Not considering that they will have KK or AA every now and then, this has to be hugely -ev.

Also, you have virtually 0 fold equity here, so shoving seems questionable on this flop.

Edit: They'll have 88 and 77 every now and then too.

turbo fold here

i know its tough to let go of it but theres two people in the pot that could potentially be chasing or have a softly played monster

its tough to lay down but you gotta do what you gotta do, especially given your stack in relation to the pot

this way you lose the minimum and can definitely come back

for the people saying shove on this flop i think its a horrible idea

kids are shooting out pot sized bets and calling it

while theyre definitely playing very fishy and honestly theyre making bad plays here its in your best interest anyway for more of these suckers to bust out and hopefully the donkey that gets the chips you can earn right back in the next few hands

so dont sweat it and live to fight another day, its way too early in the tourney to get involved in such a huge pot

Actually, I think they'll have a lot KQ/FD there. SB lines really looks like TPGK, since he would probably have CR his set
I shove it, except if one of them is a solid player

This is a hand where I think reads are massively important. If these are two donks or even so-so players, I think this is a push for sure. He can be leadning with a lot here, and the call might not be that strong either.

If they are regs, turbo fold,
If they are donks, shove imo.

Shove the flop, you're ahead and they're drawing.

I probably shove and cry when I have the third best hand.

I'd shove here unless you have reads that you're up against 2 good players.
I doubt that SB is firing out pot-size with a set, and MP could have a FD, a weaker Q, 99-JJ, and obviously a few hands that beat you.
Them having AA or KK seems also unlikely, since SB probably would have reraised with 2 people in the pot, and MP would have probably also reraised if he had openiped pf, once he saw the raise and call.

instashove

Both calling and folding and pretty horrible moves in a low buyin without readless on opps imo. I'm amazed this thread went 8 or so replies without anyone suggesting a shove.

Ok a pot bet and a shove before you, you can consider folding, but pot/bet limp you are well ahead of everyone. You are crushing the limper who's probably on a draw, the pot better has a huge range most of which you are crushing. Get her in.

Turbo shove.

You missed posts 3 and 4?

And for people saying fold because we have to dodge draws, we're significant enough favourites over the draws, even if they turn up with a slowplayed overpair or whatever a small % of the time and we also have the Qc.

Fold if you have a read that either are any good, otherwise push.

I don't know if it applies at higher levels, but <= $10 and you can just assume everyone sucks. At least at Ongame you can.

Edit. I agree that you'll be most likely up against some combination of weaker Q/flush draw/other single pair.