MP2: t1670 55.67 BBs
CO: t1540 51.33 BBs
BTN: t1765 58.83 BBs
SB: t1490 49.67 BBs
Hero (BB): t1740 58 BBs
UTG: t1420 47.33 BBs
UTG+1: t1230 41 BBs
UTG+2: t1470 49 BBs
MP1: t1175 39.17 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with J J
4 folds, MP2 raises to t150, 3 folds, Hero raises to t450, MP2 calls t300

Flop: (t915) 7 J T (2 players)
Hero bets t400, MP2 folds

Would have a checked here been better? I'm thinking not because a c-bet doesn't look strong but I could still get the money in by the river if I bet the turn instead, the turn may give him a fatal card.

What about my flop bet size? It was less than half pot but it seems too large considering stack sizes. What would be a better bet here?

What about my preflop raise size? Should have I just shoved?

don't slow play.

bet 600-700 on the flop

So never slow play even if we can get all the money by the river anyway and bet an amount that tells villain we are never folding?

never say never. But if you never slow play your game won't suffer much at the micros

Ok first of betting 600-700 is just stupid

Second what would be a better spot than this to slow play? I can think of only 1; same situation without the straight draw. I'm not saying I disagree with not slow playing I think it needs more thought than, "don't slow play" You're coming across as a close minded mimicking parrot, not trying to offend(even though I'm fairly sure it will and really not sure if I should be keeping my thoughts to myself, sorry if I do offend)

lolfish

might check behind in position but this is a std cbet spot for me.

would 3bet ~387 and cbet ~420

You raised it up preflop. Got to value bet your sets here if you cbet all the times you miss.

i dont think balancing is important here dave

Hmm yeah I like the 30bet amount but is going half pot really needed when we are this short?

Hmm yeah but is this importnat against a non-reg at a $6 game?


Really the arguments for c-betting are:

He could have KQ for a straight draw, or AQ for a gunshot, he'd probably shove AK(probably?) Pretty minor argument really

My check may look super strong and scare of action.

Argument for checking:

Because of the stack sizes I can check the flop and get the money in by the river easily.

He may attempt to bluff the turn

He will almost certainly stack of if he hits a overcard



I'm thinking that overall, a check is best. He may suspect that my check is super strong, but will this be enough to make him fold a piece when he's got so much invested? I don't think so. If he has a T or hits an over he's going to hope that my check was weakness and go with it. It may scare of low pockets but I doubt it + most people would either shove or fold with the low pockets pre(wouldn't they?)

In this one spot in this one particular game probably not.

But over time if you employ a general strategy of b/fing most times you miss I think it makes sense to also cbet when you hit.

Especially if your auto-piloting playing multiple stacked games (OP didnt mention this but a lot of 6.50 players do) - easy strategy to follow.

I mean obviously a check is not bad but we are betting for value

Villain is bad enough to limp/call a fairly big raise pre so he calls a cbet enough of the time with worse to make bet >> checking

Edit - I prefer a check if you have a read that hes aggro and likely to fire if you check to him because as soon as he bets any amount the money is going in. Fact that yhou were aggresor preflop makes this much less likely thoguh.

I like your reasoning, assuming we are against a non-reg. I don't think it matters whatsoever if I'm not against a reg.

Yeah assuming though that I haven't got a millon tables beeping at me it's always good to constantly try to think

So you think that since villain is bad enough to call a big raise pre he should be bad enough to call the flop, but not the turn??

Probably not.

I mean id guess the ev of cbeting or checking is so close it probably doesnt matter much but given preflop action and position I think a flop bet looks slightly weaker than a turn bet and villain deffo calls some of the time

Edit - also, as furo said, given stacks, your raise pre was too big.

I'm with furo on this one, 3bet a bit smaller, bet a lil over half pot OTF and hope villain shoves over with QK, AQ, AK, a pocker pair or any T or J. Imho this is far from a good spot to slowplay. U can do it, but I think u not only lose value but also might hang urself if villain checks behind with a str8 draw.

Care to explain why?

Don't like the 3bet. As played the lead out is fine altho by checking we can rep AK so don't think either is bad.

OP: "Is this a good spot to slow play?"
poser#1: "No"
OP: "yes it is"
poster #2 : "no it's not a good spot to slow play"
OP: "you're stupid"
Poster #3: "here is why it's bad to slowplay"
OP: "no here is why it's a good spot to slow play"
Poster #4:" not a good spot to slow play"
OP: "can you please tell me why so that I can tell you you're stupid?"


If you're so sure it's a good spot to slow play then gtfo and don't post the hand

given stack sizes I think check is ok...if we are deeper we are concerned with pot building but here we have no problem getting stacks in easily

and if they bet what do we rep now?

FPS imo

Do you mean the 3-bet size or the actual 3-bet?

What does gtfo stand for?

It's more you guys haven't gave me a reason besides, "it's the micros" for balancing and it's better so that we can auto pilot. Poster #3 this doesn't exist. And now you're saying to me that debate is bad? Why do we post on these forums? Don't we want to question our preconceptions? I'm asking you guys why because I want to see your perspective not so I can call you stupid.

I wasn't sure if it was at first as you said before, slow playing in the micros is generally bad. But after some thought this spot seems an exception. Perhaps I should think about the hands a little more before I post them idk. I just didn't think I'd get close minded douche bags giving answers with little thought and saying discussion is bad; group think is -EV

Please do me a favor and don't post on any future threads I create

Does it matter what we rep? They would be committed, won't they?

What does FPS mean?

+1

gtfo = get the f out
FPS = fancy play syndrome

and consider it done. you are now blocked

would bet 150 and snapcall villains K2o push

Other than that, i think you should make it 375-400 pre (or maybe just call, what are you doing if he 4b shoves?) and cbet 300-350. slowplaying is not good imo, many donks get it in here with any broadway at these stakes as every broadway hit at least a gutshot + overs or pair. If he doesn't have that he can only have a lower pp which will not call you anyways. or a6ish type of hand which you won't get value from anyway.

you have to lead into connected boards. There is a good probability of a call and you must protect your hand against draws