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.5 6max, L2, AQo on BB oop .5 6max, L2, AQo on BB oop

09-28-2009 , 02:05 PM
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 6 players
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BTN: t1370 M = 30.44
SB: t1140 M = 25.33
Hero (BB): t1430 M = 31.78
UTG: t2190 M = 48.67
MP: t1715 M = 38.11
CO: t1155 M = 25.67

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with Q A
UTG calls t30, MP raises to t120, 3 folds, Hero ?

UTG is 36/11/1
MP is 41/22/2
had 28 hands on both

i think there would be "call and reevalute" is the standard, but i dont know how much value we have here oop against 2 loose villains. if we hit TPTK/TPGK that would be pretty easy, but if a random flop comes what we didnt hit should we c.bet here? its seems to be a little spewy. so if we hit we play if not we c/f really the best what we can do here?
fold seems unorthodox but may it could be the right play here?

any thought are welcomed, thanks

Last edited by HorvatH; 09-28-2009 at 02:34 PM. Reason: missed to post the stats
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09-28-2009 , 02:11 PM
call is fine
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09-28-2009 , 02:12 PM
If you call pre, you cant do a cbet cause you arent the raiser pre. I call pre, c/f if missed and just bet/bet/bet if I hit.
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09-28-2009 , 02:17 PM
I think we have more than enough of an equity advantage vs the two opponents to play this hand out of position unless we have a read than MP is particularly nitty. I think your model is making a few incorrect assumptions:

- AQo has more value than just hitting a top pair. It makes a nut straight, it has showdown value as an ace high. Oh and it can make 2 strong flush draws on mono boards

- If we miss on the flop, 3-way it's not a cert. that this flop will be c-bet by the preflop raiser. We may get more cards free or even have the chance of showing down our A high. If we have the read than MP is badaggro enough that he will cbet his entire range, we might be able to call on some flops like a dry 422, especially if we have a backdoor flush. Or on like a JJT board or something. OR, if he does cbet 100% then we know we have a lot of implied odds calling preflop because we can get in a nice checkraise when we do hit a pair.

- i'm sure you can fold here an play sngs profitably, but i imagine calling is more profitable against most opponents.

- fwiw we can't c-bet this flop (just a technicality - but we weren't the preflop raiser). I would never consider donk-bluffing if we miss the flop. With a strong ace-high we will probably only fold out worse hands.
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09-28-2009 , 02:38 PM
sorry for everyone, i missed to post the stats so theyre definitely not nits, UTG is seems to be very loose-passive, MP is more likely loose, maybe not that passive postflop, not sure.
probably not changes too much, just wanted to share every info i have
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09-28-2009 , 03:11 PM
you called easily call to see a flop with a good hand, but theres still one player behind to act who could reraise so its a bit difficult to hope for a flop here. By the way your hand isnt strong enough to free bet in a situation like so i would recommend folding this one.

Donk betting without hitting the board is very dangerous against 2 unkowns. Try to figure out what there playing style might be and on which level they think.
If you hit tptp on a Q board i would strife for a check-call/check-raise if its a scary board and villian is likely to get it in with worse.
But in a mwp i would probably open with a bet because with a check raise you must investe to many chips what you actually want to avoid at this stage.
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