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05-17-2012 , 07:21 PM

James Starkey

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Poker Stars, $50 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) Pot Limit Omaha Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12910222

Hero (CO): 5,155 (171.8 bb)
BTN: 2,745 (91.5 bb)
SB: 2,708 (90.3 bb)
BB: 1,015 (33.8 bb)
MP1: 5,565 (185.5 bb)
MP2: 5,889 (196.3 bb)
MP3: 2,783 (92.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4

MP1 calls 30, 2 folds, Hero raises to 135, BTN raises to 480, 2 folds, MP1 calls 450, Hero raises to 1,965, BTN raises to 2,745 and is all-in, MP1 raises to 5,565 and is all-in, Hero folds

Flop: (7,500) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (7,500) T

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (7,500) J

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

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I've dabbled with PLO quite a bit, but mostly 6max cash and a little short stacked HU. In this hand I'm trying to isolate the button as seems quite bad and doesn't seem to understand his hand strengths at all. When the MP1 player limp flat rejams, I put him on a strong wrap type hand that means my hand will have to fade alot of flops/set up to be strong. Do we make the 4bet smaller pf to make it easier to get away from if MP1 does a similar play?

EDIT: X-post with SSPLO http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38.../#post32884765

Last edited by James Starkey; 05-17-2012 at 07:28 PM.

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05-17-2012 , 07:30 PM

Winnie Cooper

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AAxx esp with a suit is a favorite over any wrap hand if all the money gets in pre. Why would you be wanting to get away?

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05-17-2012 , 09:13 PM

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Flat the 3 bet or 4 bet stack off...prefer flatting and just playing post this deep
Don't like option c which you chose though I get why you did it and the fold is defensible as you hand is not very good in a 3 way all in

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05-18-2012 , 12:56 AM

mc4chess

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wutwutwutwut. Did we really just put in 2k out of 5k stack and then fold pre..... WITH ACES.

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05-18-2012 , 03:04 AM

The_Stro_Sho

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wtf man

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05-18-2012 , 04:32 AM

Puzo

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Unreg pre !

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05-18-2012 , 08:07 AM

JimyJamonas

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Originally Posted by mc4chess

wutwutwutwut. Did we really just put in 2k out of 5k stack and then fold pre..... WITH ACES.

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05-18-2012 , 10:01 AM

ReversedAngleShot

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You can do better. How could you ever fold and w/ what hand(s) are you happy to get it in preflop 3-way?

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05-18-2012 , 10:04 AM

lissistinkt

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easy 4bet pre comone
-people 3bet to many highcardhands including an A and not enough rundowns
-people dont fold hands like akqx to 4bets
-people fold too many randompairs postflop in 4betpots
-we get 40% of stack in
-our aces are fkn premium

lol at folding to the shove wtf

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05-18-2012 , 10:08 AM

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timetowom

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Thank god you folded. You would have lost!

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05-18-2012 , 11:19 AM

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not a PLO guy but do we really want to get 172 BB in pre in a 3 way pot with this hand in a 3 way pot in a soft field???!!!

Love to hear from people who actually play PLO but I am not sure a lot are in this specific forum

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05-18-2012 , 11:28 AM

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timetowom

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The 4b is pretty bad. Our hand stinks

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05-18-2012 , 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by timetowom

The 4b is pretty bad. Our hand stinks

that's what I think but I feel like I'm either being levelled by some of the posts or a lot of people are bad at PLO analysis

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05-18-2012 , 11:54 AM

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Winnie Cooper

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

that's what I think but I feel like I'm either being levelled by some of the posts or a lot of people are bad at PLO analysis

if we win the side pot we almost break even so I cant imagine we shouldnt be happy getting it in 3 ways here.

Last edited by Winnie Cooper; 05-18-2012 at 11:55 AM. Reason: I dont play much PLO but this seems fairly obv

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05-18-2012 , 11:58 AM

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lissistinkt

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noone has a clue how to play plo here

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05-18-2012 , 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Winnie Cooper

if we win the side pot we almost break even so I cant imagine we shouldnt be happy getting it in 3 ways here.

pretty sure I diagree but I'm no expert either

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Originally Posted by lissistinkt

noone has a clue how to play plo here

are you including yourself? just say whether you think this is a good hand/ spot to put our stack in this deep

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05-18-2012 , 12:22 PM

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I mean the only reason not to 4bet would be that we couldn't get enough in pre in a spot where it is obv we probably have AA, in this spot we get enough of our stack in that 4betting is good, and once they go all in we are really happy to get it in pre. Making it 2k and folding is just unreal absurd.

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05-18-2012 , 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mc4chess

again I am not expert on PLO preflop equities but why are we so happy to get it in with a single suited AA rag rag paired? Is the hand really that strong? We are way behind most other AA combos (however unlikely combinatorically) and we are barely, if at all, ahead of double suited wraps...right?

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05-18-2012 , 12:36 PM

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lissistinkt

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

pretty sure I diagree but I'm no expert either

are you including yourself? just say whether you think this is a good hand/ spot to put our stack in this deep

no
yes
our aces arent raggy
people are ******ed
fowahfüoajefdüowajfapoifwafkwafwa, how can u ever fold here

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05-18-2012 , 12:40 PM

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I just ran some equities. Against AA**(random aces) We still have 53.83% so we have an above average aces, against 9TJQss, we have 58%, and against 89TJ we have 56%. We are crushing both hands HU with around 70%. However we are not HU so I guess we should look at the 3way equities.

Against actual hands of KK33 and AJ78 we are 43.74%. Against one of the worst case scenarios it seems of something like AA**, and 89TJss we are still at around 35% and should get it in.

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05-18-2012 , 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mc4chess

thanks...that analysis makes it much clearer

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05-18-2012 , 04:26 PM

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JFC WTF IS GOING ON HERE

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