Hi guys, just a line check. Thanks


PokerStars - $50+$5|50/100 Ante 10 NL - Holdem - 9 players

UTG: 48.43 BB (VPIP: 26.32, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 57)
UTG+1: 20.35 BB (VPIP: 13.41, PFR: 8.52, 3Bet Preflop: 6.10, Hands: 182)
MP: 22.23 BB (VPIP: 23.64, PFR: 14.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
MP+1: 33.35 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 3.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
MP+2: 87.54 BB (VPIP: 30.30, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 33)
Hero (CO): 50.41 BB
BTN: 31.58 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 21.82, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 56)
SB: 25.36 BB (VPIP: 26.79, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 56)
BB: 28.9 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4.55 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 22.13 BB and is all-in, Hero ???

i would flat pre, as played might fold to 4b as AQ should be crushed by most 4b shove ranges pre

Yer I also would prefer flat pre as played just fold to 4bet with the info you have on villain I don't think he is gonna be getting out of line with any worse then AQ so we are gonna be flipping sometimes with 99 1010 jj an crushed a bunch against AK QQ+

3bet/folding is suicide against a 22bb stack. If he's a loose opener I like the 3bet/call. Against a nit I flat.

Couldn't imagine 3bet/folding a hand as strong as AQ with 20bb effective stacks.

Calling Odds= 38%, so villain would have to be 4bet shoving extremely tight for this to be a fold. I believe his range would have to be 77+/AQ+ for us to have less than 38% equity. Vills who run 23/14 are certainly capable of shoving much wider than this vs a rather small 3bet.

Out of curiosity, what was your table image? Any specific hands/3bets against this particular vill? 2nd in chips at the table probably creates the image that you may be bullying, which would indicate vill shoving even wider.

Maybe others could confirm this, but 3bet/folding AQ here is essentially turning it into a bluff and this hand is much too strong to turn into a bluff. Seems you would be better flatting than 3bet/folding, but I still prefer 3bet/GII.

+1

i don't mind 3b calling, but in this spot i like flatting a lot more... i like our stack and would hate to go down to 30bb's... also there are fishy looking players on blinds that could came along with a lot of hands that we dominate and we could induce light squeeze from BTN...

Snap call. Flatting is fine but DO NOT 3b/f aq at these stack sizes. If you're doing that do it with air.

Can you guys elaborate why can't we fold if we know at the best we are flipping and still got fold equity?

Fold equity means there is a chance our opponent folds and we win the pot without showdown. If we raise his bet and he shoves we have no fold equity as our opponent is already all in.

Another thing to always consider is that we don't need to be a favourite to win when deciding whether to fold or call because of pot odds.

In this case, when we 3bet to 4.55bbs and MP jams we have to call 17.5bb to win 2.4+22*2=46.4. So we need only 17.5/46.4 = 0.38 or 38% equity

Perhaps most importantly it would make no sense to 3bet our strong hand if we plan to fold to a 4bet. This because MP would rarely just flat call our 3bet.

I explained myself wrongly in using the term "fold equity". What I meant is that we still have pot odds to fold.

According to my calcs, there is 31.08bbs in the pot (2.4+2+4.55+22.13) and if we decide to call the 4bet jam we need to pay 17.58bbs more. We got 1.7:1 odds, so we need at least 36% equity vs his range to call.

Setting up V range to AQ+, TT+, we have only 34% equity w/ AQo, not even close to make the call. The whole point here is my nitty range, would he shove AJ+? If so, I'm snapping, obv.

Please tell me if I'm right or just really messed up.

I'd flat.

This exactly

You are assuming our opponent never gets out of line and jams a tight range. I'd include at least some combinations of weaker hands in his range but let's assume for now you are spot on.



We have to consider:

1) Will our opponent (ever) flat call our 3bet pre?

2) Are we not better off flat calling his open range instead of 3betting when he only 4bets such a tight range?



If the answer to 1 is rarely or never, the answer to 2 is yes and you should probably 3bet 78 instead of AQ

#this

I would flat in this spot aswell since he will be pushing really often with his 22bb stack. If you 3bet him with AQo you should probably stack off since he is quite agressive, but if he were a nit maybe flat may work better for you.

Thank you for the thoughts guys. My table image was definitely active and solid, not showing down any junk hands.

I like the flat line, its just I think 3betting might be more profitable more often with less sticky spots pf.