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11-14-2011 , 03:30 AM

jjyykk

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9,399

Interesting decision point I guess on such a wet board OOP.
Villain: 16/11 6.7% 3b 9% AF 75 hands

Think I can rep strong combo draws so maybe AJ-AQ will stack off?

Poker Stars $40+$10+$4 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1516833
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SB: t2950 59 BBs
Hero (BB): t3146 62.92 BBs
UTG: t2455 49.10 BBs
UTG+1: t2940 58.80 BBs
UTG+2: t3000 60 BBs
MP1: t3255 65.10 BBs
MP2: t2925 58.50 BBs
CO: t2859 57.18 BBs
BTN: t3429 68.58 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with A

3 folds, MP1 raises to t150, 1 fold, CO calls t150, 2 folds, Hero calls t100

Flop: (t475) T

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets t250, Hero raises to t750, MP1 folds, CO raises to t2709 all in, Hero calls t1959

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11-14-2011 , 04:43 AM

Mugsedge

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Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 465

- I like the flat with AK here

Opting to take this thin value/high variance x/r line comes down to villains image of hero, and what edge you have in the tournament over the rest of the table/field

If this was a tough field, taking this high variance slightly +eV line with AK is great. We need the chips and may not have an edge in mid/late game with shortish stack (u prolly do though...)

- that being said, if we have a squeaky image this line may be a dud vs L337 Pro as our range looks monster draw or AT+ (hero folding AQ?!, hero folding AJ!)

If we are against droolers/average players, there is no need to create the extra variance when they will make much bigger -ev mistakes in late game/other situations.

- that being said, if we have a loose image against these droolers, they may pay off as wide as any A

Image > skill of field = answer

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11-14-2011 , 05:02 AM

sunnydunerz

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Don't like pre whatsoever, flop seems gr8

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11-14-2011 , 05:06 AM

MartinGuthOBV

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,007

475 pre/ get it in
yeah u could flat flop or just raise/get it in, both fine
i prefer flatting otf

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11-14-2011 , 06:07 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

3b/get it in pre as default
as played looks good and get it in obv

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11-14-2011 , 10:36 AM

blindhippo

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Originally Posted by sunnydunerz

Don't like pre whatsoever, flop seems gr8

why is pre bad, vs what seems to be a regular who will prob fold out all dominated aces

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11-14-2011 , 11:42 AM

gregz41

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I would 3b for sure. Flop is perfect imo.

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11-14-2011 , 12:49 PM

blanquiazul

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dont mind pre that much as long as it isnt default, which more than likely is 3bet/get it in. The way it played seems fine and definitely snapping off the shove. Maybe there could be the case for just flatting cbet, but guess more details about images should've been given as well as maybe a dryer board

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11-14-2011 , 01:50 PM

lissi stinkt

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if both villains are regs flatting pre is fine, but i wouldn`t get the money in on the flop than

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11-14-2011 , 02:39 PM

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marek_heinz

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im getting it in pre even without bounties

as played wp

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11-14-2011 , 02:40 PM

#11

CaliStyle

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Originally Posted by marek_heinz

im getting it in pre even without bounties

as played wp

This

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11-14-2011 , 02:57 PM

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fivetypes

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Yeah +1 3bet pre, it can look like a steal attempt, people can tool out, you win uncontested and all that good stuff.

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11-16-2011 , 07:24 AM

#13

The Lipo Fund

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Originally Posted by marek_heinz

im getting it in pre even without bounties

as played wp

this

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