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10-12-2010 , 12:51 AM

thenextlevel1

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150-300 blinds no antes 70-30 payout structure, players are randoms. I have a range of 66+ AT A9s here is that too tight?
Button (hero) 3000
SB 3000
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10-12-2010 , 04:55 AM

WillyBeemen

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I would go wider.

Off the top of my head, I would maybe throw in KQ and KJs, and adjust for reads. Not familiar with 70-30 though...

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10-12-2010 , 07:49 AM

slideby

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i think alot wider- top 30% maybe more

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10-12-2010 , 08:40 AM

Carumbo

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i think we have alot of unmentioned factors to consider before exploring what is possibly the best course of action with all ranges of hands in this spot, I'm sometimes limping here or minraising, or raising a bit bigger too.. with no reads/history i'm not sure where to start, but I'll say hypothetically just about any play with any hand CAN be profitable here under the right circumstances.

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10-12-2010 , 09:05 AM

slideby

grinder

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limp is only good with a strong hand if you expect a shove. otherwise, i would never limp here.

also any play with any hand here wont be profitable- ie folding aa, limping 23 etc.

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10-12-2010 , 10:14 AM

WillyBeemen

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As a default i would be very hesitant about shoving 30%+ here. Shoving that wide becomes very sensitive for calling ranges, and that is info we don`t have yet.

The 70/30 format probably allows us to shove around 20-25% here with baseline ranges, and from there adjust for reads.

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10-12-2010 , 10:54 AM

MoneyBags

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i think 25% as default agasint randoms is a good range to have in this spot.

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10-12-2010 , 12:31 PM

slideby

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how wide do you think they are calling here

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10-12-2010 , 12:42 PM

supersplitz

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Here is the nash equilibrium with SB calling 5.9% (88+ AJs+ AQo+) and the BB calling 8.4% (77+ ATs+ ATo+):

BU 22.8%, 22+ A2s+ A9o+ K8s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QTo+ J9s+ JTo T9s

If they are unknowns I really wouldn't be pushing much wider than that if at all.

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10-12-2010 , 06:41 PM

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thenextlevel1

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I don't know where you guys play that ppl call that tight. I would say A7o, 44+ is what I see called by most players.

Last edited by thenextlevel1; 10-12-2010 at 06:55 PM.

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10-12-2010 , 06:47 PM

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thenextlevel1

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Don't forget we are talking about random most likely losing players, not regulars.

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10-12-2010 , 06:57 PM

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thenextlevel1

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Originally Posted by supersplitz

These looks like the ranges of what regulars call with.

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10-12-2010 , 06:58 PM

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thenextlevel1

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What about 44+ A9+ A2s+ KT+ K9s+ QJ Q9s+ J9s+ T9s 19.8%?
This is with 44+ Ato+ calling, which sounds like a good range to shove the 1st time I shove, but after Ive shoved 5 times in a row BvB I don't see A7 folding.

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10-13-2010 , 01:39 AM

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waxdabox

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Originally Posted by thenextlevel1

but after 5 shoves u have stolen so many blinds that it
doesn't matter if A7 calls!
44+ kjs+ KQo+

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