HUD stats filtered for 26 hands of 6 handed play

UTG+1 is 32/24
BTN is 46/25

From what I can recall, they were both fairly loose earlier in the tournament too.



Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $80(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($2,150)
BB ($1,980)
Hero ($2,080)
UTG+1 ($3,125)
CO ($1,065)
BTN ($3,100)

Dealt to Hero TT

Hero calls $80, UTG+1 raises to $320, fold, BTN calls $320, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2,080, fold, fold

Hero wins $1,080


Limp ok?
Shove ok?

Year, Limp-Raise-Shoving looks very good here.

You get full advantage of your pf strength and negotiate your bad playabiliaty with TT from OOP.
I think, limp/shove is best you can do here.

I don't like it I think you turn your hand into a bluff preflop and you're missing tons of value (do you really think you are going to get called by lower pp or AT type hands when you limp shove?), I really prefer making it 2.5x in that spot and play some pokah with a decent stack behind
In that spot it's not that bad imo because there is a lot of dead money but you can't hope you will have a 3x raiser and a flatter everytime, and I'd really dislike seeing a bunch of limpers behind

I wouldn't call it a bluff if we would like to get a KJ/KQ/AJ or so to fold. It's nice that sometimes a JJ will fold but this is counterfeighted by a 88/99 folding.

I played some of those micro stakes SnGs like Hero did here. And I was relly shocked how I often I got called by A3s or KQs or 55 or w/e most hands we dominate.

Obiviously a decent idea. On the other side, TT is really hard to play. You need to be very very good to get the expected value. I don't think I would be good enough to get it, even at those micro stakes.

You don't like a lot of limpers behind you, but why do you like a lot of cold callers??

I don't really mind that KQ/KQ/AJ call bc basically we are slightly ahead and most of the time they will play very straightforward when they don't hit

Well sure if you know you are called by thoses kind of hands then it's fine, given vilain's stats I even think it's possible that they call with lower pp etc I was talking about this move more generally.


I wouldn't like to see limpers behind because I think TT is way too strong (esp. given stats OP gave, it seems to be some fishes at the table) to limp it and open the pot to everyone (I personnaly prefer playing TT hu and I'm raising every single time utg at every level) and furthermore I don't like limping when blinds get higher
Well we can't know if there are a lot of cold callers, I mean alright if everybody go crazy and flat then it's not really a prob bc basically we put ourselves in a great setmine situation in case we hit, if we don't we basically c/f tons of flops but I mean you can't everytime say I don't raise bc I don't want tons of callers.. most of the time you will isolate one guy, and it's up to you to play it and reevaluate on overcard flop
So sure the limp shove make it easier but I prefer having tricky spot postflop and maximizing value than just making it easier

Me not too, but anyway, we have a pocket pair and playing it for setvalue is fine, too.

1st of all, we have some reads on villains. I repeat:
UTG+1 is 32/24
BTN is 46/25

So limping to induce a raising move is not ******ed.

Where did you get that from.
I most often get 1 villain by raising at this level from upfront. But here we have 2 further radical guys, so I'd expect 2-3 villains in avg on the flop.
BTW, TT loses a lot of equity if further villains come in.
BTW, TT loses a lot of equity if played OOP.

Why then, you play lower levels than me?
Just a question, allthough not very nice.

If TT is your postflop value making hand OOP with decent stack sizes behind, wow, that's master.

I don't know, maybe bc I started poker 4 months ago and getting a 300 buy-in bankroll for $200 when you start with $50 and grinding $1.20 takes some time?
Anyway in every debate you are always saying either I'm playing higher than you or either I'm the best high stakes reg so I'm right, and honnestly maybe it works with some ppl but it doesn't with me, I won't listen all you say just bc you say you are good, I honnestly think you say a lot of wrong stuff (and prob. intentionally and it's pretty smart if you do to use this forum at your advantage) like saying TT is ahead of TT+ AQ+... cmon
Now I'm prob. gonna get bashed but I really don't care

If your answer is, I don't play high levels, because I'm not clever to do so, but some others (and obv they cheat or something like that), well, you're right at your level.

wat? I don't understand why you are talking about cheat or whatever. I never said you weren't a good player with good results or whatever I don't know that since I don't know what your screename is etc...
I just wonder, if you are that good, why would you take sooo much time to make BIG answer and always try to be right and convince everyone in threads? Isn't it pretty ev- for you to tell everybody how you play ?
I mean most high stakes grinder don't answer much just bc of that, they don't want others to get better in their game

rudyard sorry for hijacking your thread

I used to talk about it with my room mates, but the have gone their own ways, so I miss something, that's why I'm talking here. And yes, you're right, in most situations I should be silent.

Yep, that's one of the reasons, I rarely post self played hands, so I nobody knows who I am.

Most of my posts are concerned with getting action in the game, what can't be so bad on a long term for the game.

Didnt really like the play, 10 10 is way too weak to take such big risks with. Why not just standardraise, get him to call you with Ax/smaller pp, 70/30. 83/17 not ok odds? /La dolce

STTF Forum last few weeks:

1. Interesting/boring thread starts.
2. People say what they think.
3. Kamel comes and says something completely different.
4. People try to discuss with him.
5. Kamel says they are stupid, they play low stakes to understand anything, explains how exploitable and bad they are, and how he exploits nitty regs at highest stakes.
6. Kamel wakes up next morning, comes back to "say sorry" since he was tilting day before so he probably sounded little bit harsh (but he didn't want to).
7. Some MS/HS regs come to say how good is to have Kamel here b/c of his inspirative and out-of-the-box thinking.

It would be funny if it wasn't ridiculous.

OP, I don't like your line but maybe it makes sense vs these type of guys.

Well, I don't post +1 threads.

I never called anybody stupid. But I say, that some leaks are exploitable. I also really exploit them. Take it for w/e.

From time to time, I make things on the wrong way.

Maybe for a reason.

If you don't like the line, what is your purposed better line for Hero?

kamel, if you want someone to talk to now your roommates are gone, please add me to AIM. I'm GNoteF. I could talk poker with you all day, and I'd really benefit.

7castle, I'm surprised that you've been so harshly critical of kamel because you've always struck me as someone who wanted to expand his game beyond "standard" because you understand that that has limitations. He's let himself get wrapped up in dicksizing in a couple of posts recently, but generally, he argues his corner without it, and it's of much more value than a dozen +1 posts.

Drzen, no need to be surprised. I can see that there are many good players admiring kamel's thinking, but I can help myself, I cannot respect somebody who repeatedly:

1. Writes arrogant post and then comes later to say he's written that during some tilt - I'd say people should have enough brains not to post when they are angry.
2. Says in each third post that he plays super high, exploits best guys there without giving any proof - this seems just silly to me. If he wants to hide his identity then I don't care but would be quite nice if he then would be able to stop saying how good he is.

That's all.