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10-06-2009 , 10:55 PM

Dolech

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Full Tilt Poker The Fifty-Fifty No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t40/t80 Blinds - 8 players
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lobofenris (MP2): t3475 M = 28.96
kam3047 (CO): t3466 M = 28.88
dangeroos (BTN): t7294 M = 60.78
Hero (SB): t2423 M = 20.19
dbthdo (BB): t4610 M = 38.42
apestyles (UTG): t3045 M = 25.38
hawkur (UTG+1): t6274 M = 52.28
petegotaplan (MP1): t4148 M = 34.57

Pre Flop: (t120) Hero is SB with A

5 folds, dangeroos raises to t240, Hero calls t200, 1 fold

Flop: (t560) T

(2 players)
Hero checks, dangeroos bets t280, Hero calls t280

Turn: (t1120) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, dangeroos bets t560, Hero calls t560

River: (t2240) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, dangeroos bets t1520, Hero calls t1343 all in

Spoiler:

i love it !

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10-06-2009 , 11:40 PM

theend4079

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3bet pre and lose like a man

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10-07-2009 , 12:01 AM

donttiltboy

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3 bet pre bro, atleast get it on flop anyway. Unlucky though.

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10-07-2009 , 12:03 AM

jchauvin

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is this a legitimate hand for discussion or are you posting because you run bad and omg how could you lose with aces?

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10-07-2009 , 12:07 AM

2dogshumping

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Slow playing AA in these are gunna hurt u more than help. especially when oop. should ALWAYS raise when oop. if you get beat then at least you can say you didn't let him get there for free.

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10-07-2009 , 04:31 AM

furo

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3bet pre and get it in as soon as possible in a vacuum would be my standard line

love it as played vs a loose BTN raise/active player that will fold to a 3bet very often.

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10-07-2009 , 06:04 AM

dereds

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Originally Posted by 2dogshumping

Slow playing AA in these are gunna hurt u more than help. especially when oop. should ALWAYS raise when oop. if you get beat then at least you can say you didn't let him get there for free.

This is not necessarily the case an saying someone should always do anything is pretty blinkered

hand is actually fine and a cooler

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10-07-2009 , 06:13 AM

Kecinpulach

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I am in 3bet camp. I dont think your line was bad but I would prefer to c-r flop or CRAI turn. If he has TPTK or overpair (say JJ) any card higher than this might kill the action. Same for river, any card that complete possible draw, might kill the action. If you ran into a set, thats it, there is nothing you can do, except of solid 3bet pre. I think in tourney you should play your strong hands faster and not to give your opponents implied odds for free.

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10-07-2009 , 08:25 AM

ssnyc

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seems like he intended it as a silly bad beat story but that the group is drawing some discussion so we can let it stay

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10-07-2009 , 11:52 AM

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BCEagleAce

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You HAVE to 3 bet pre flop. When you don't, you deserve to lose with AA.

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10-07-2009 , 12:31 PM

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SleeveOfWizard

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Do you expect opponents to barrel off 3 streets with junk often enough for this to be profitable in the long run?

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10-07-2009 , 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SleeveOfWizard

Do you expect opponents to barrel off 3 streets with junk often enough for this to be profitable in the long run?

with our line??? hells ya and mostly they will barrel worse value hands

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10-07-2009 , 12:33 PM

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SleeveOfWizard

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Good ninja. Makes this thread a little more interesting.

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10-07-2009 , 12:34 PM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by SleeveOfWizard

Good ninja. Makes this thread a little more interesting.

agreed...I doubt they three barrel bluff a lot but so many value hands that we beat in their 3 barreling range

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10-07-2009 , 12:35 PM

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SleeveOfWizard

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So in low-mid stakes tournaments with stacksizes similar to these, when are the best situations to flat AA in non-obv squeeze situations?

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10-07-2009 , 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SleeveOfWizard

So in low-mid stakes tournaments with stacksizes similar to these, when are the best situations to flat AA in non-obv squeeze situations?

when stacks are shallow and antes are in play...on hands where there are less implied odds and we are getting it in no matter what so we want to widen their ranges to get max value

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10-07-2009 , 12:37 PM

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SleeveOfWizard

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Obv w/ antes, near the bubble, w/e, flatting AA on the BTN is fine if two scandis are in the blinds, but I guess I wasn't specific enough: If this play is fine, when IS 3-betting in the early stages a good line?

Last edited by SleeveOfWizard; 10-07-2009 at 12:38 PM. Reason: Soulread your next reply lol...

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10-07-2009 , 12:40 PM

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ssnyc

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Originally Posted by SleeveOfWizard

never said his play was fine...I'm 3 betting here the vast majority of the time

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10-07-2009 , 12:49 PM

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SleeveOfWizard

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

never said his play was fine...I'm 3 betting here the vast majority of the time

Especially OOP, a 3-bet is pretty much mandatory I guess. In position though, what are the merits of 3-betting a hijack or cutoff raise in a tournament like this. There isn't much of an incentive to steal right now and if we're deep enough, we're defining our hand to an extent and playing for stacks with less information than our opponent.

If we flat, there's more room to extract maximum value and avoid Hero wins ~t375 situations, no?

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10-07-2009 , 12:50 PM

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ssnyc

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I think if we size our 3 bets correctly they are rarely folding pre and we maximize value...in the rare case that we have a tilter or maniac squeezer in the blinds than sure but rather start building that pot pre

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10-07-2009 , 12:57 PM

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SleeveOfWizard

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

/devil's advocate

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