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 FO: 55 BvB, Turn Spew?  FO: 55 BvB, Turn Spew?

06-30-2010 , 02:42 PM
17/13/.83 over 46 hands so I assume he is probably better than a random $5 player. The only hands I've seen him play were both on my SB where he iso'd limpers with AA and AQ, and got stacks in with an overpair and TPTK and doubled both times.

I bet the turn to protect my hand from all those random overs/gutshots and to "buy" a river check. I also credibly rep Ax because I can easily float with ace high on this texture BvB. Is this spew/is my thought process flawed? Do you guys prefer checking and playing the guessing game on the river?


Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t1645 M = 7.31
UTG+2: t7125 M = 31.67
MP1: t3075 M = 13.67
MP2: t5425 M = 24.11
CO: t7000 M = 31.11
BTN: t3350 M = 14.89
SB: t12985 M = 57.71
Hero (BB): t9280 M = 41.24
UTG: t9535 M = 42.38

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BB with 5 5
7 folds, SB raises to t450, Hero calls t300

Flop: (t900) 7 4 J (2 players)
SB bets t450, Hero calls t450

Turn: (t1800) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t950, SB raises to t2400, Hero folds
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06-30-2010 , 03:09 PM
imo this is a pf fold.
with 55 you wanna hit you set and against one villain you have not the right odds to call.
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06-30-2010 , 03:12 PM
folding any pair preflop would be bad because:

I would be calling/raising so tight that SB can easily open any two profitably

I have position after the flop

My hand is ahead of his opening range
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06-30-2010 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Strife
folding any pair preflop would be bad because:

I would be calling/raising so tight that SB can easily open any two profitably

I have position after the flop

My hand is ahead of his opening range

yes youre right i need to learn alot^^.
so i would check turn and fold to a bet on river.
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06-30-2010 , 03:19 PM
I'd actually reraise pre, but I don't think that's standard.
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06-30-2010 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Phantomshark
I'd actually reraise pre, but I don't think that's standard.
is a call standarD?
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06-30-2010 , 03:32 PM
I thought about 3betting pre and raising the flop, and I think both of those plays have merit.

3betting pre is gonna get alot of folds especially from a decent TAG, and if I get 4bet I can comfortably fold, and if I get flatted I still have a playable hand in position

raising the flop is probably a better line than calling and betting the turn, especially since an obvious scare card came on the turn. The flop texture is pretty dry, so most of the time he is cbetting air/A high here, especially since its BvB. Raising allows me to save money on later streets if I'm beat and it protects my hand. I also doubt he would rebluff 3bet me on this flop.
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06-30-2010 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Strife
17/13/.83 over 46 hands so I assume he is probably better than a random $5 player. The only hands I've seen him play were both on my SB where he iso'd limpers with AA and AQ, and got stacks in with an overpair and TPTK and doubled both times.

I bet the turn to protect my hand from all those random overs/gutshots and to "buy" a river check. I also credibly rep Ax because I can easily float with ace high on this texture BvB. Is this spew/is my thought process flawed? Do you guys prefer checking and playing the guessing game on the river?


Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t1645 M = 7.31
UTG+2: t7125 M = 31.67
MP1: t3075 M = 13.67
MP2: t5425 M = 24.11
CO: t7000 M = 31.11
BTN: t3350 M = 14.89
SB: t12985 M = 57.71
Hero (BB): t9280 M = 41.24
UTG: t9535 M = 42.38

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BB with 5 5
7 folds, SB raises to t450, Hero calls t300

Flop: (t900) 7 4 J (2 players)
SB bets t450, Hero calls t450

Turn: (t1800) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t950, SB raises to t2400, Hero folds
First mistake...its a 5$ fo. You are making a move because you think villain will know that you can credibly rep a hand and are capable of floating A-high on this flop.....villain, even if he has reasonable stats is basically just clicking buttons (evidence...he is playing a 5fo), he isn't thinking in terms of ranges/etc.

As played, I'd probably call flop bet and then try to get to showdown cheaply. A lot of BvB hands will go bet/call on flop then check down. If he shows any more aggression I'm folding.

I think with this line we maximize the money we get in ahead (getting that in on flop against all of his missed cbets) and get away the times he has us beat. If he has us beat then he will most likely let us know.
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06-30-2010 , 04:02 PM
Its still early so I don't think 3-betting here is appropriate. Call is fine.

Since you describe villian as semi-decent, he'll c-bet this flop almost always. I like your float here, might even make it bigger tbh. As played I fold, obviously.
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06-30-2010 , 04:03 PM
All of this looks good to me
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06-30-2010 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Default Name
First mistake...its a 5$ fo. You are making a move because you think villain will know that you can credibly rep a hand and are capable of floating A-high on this flop.....villain, even if he has reasonable stats is basically just clicking buttons (evidence...he is playing a 5fo), he isn't thinking in terms of ranges/etc.
While I agree in general, there are exceptions to this rule. Not everyone playing this tournament is incompetent. For example, I consider myself a thinking player and I play this tournament every chance I get. The field is definitely like 90% fish, but there is that 10% of good SSMTT grinders out there, and I would include villain in this category.

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As played, I'd probably call flop bet and then try to get to showdown cheaply. A lot of BvB hands will go bet/call on flop then check down. If he shows any more aggression I'm folding.

I think with this line we maximize the money we get in ahead (getting that in on flop against all of his missed cbets) and get away the times he has us beat. If he has us beat then he will most likely let us know.
I agree with this, like I said my standard line is to basically bluff catch my way to showdown. I'm just trying to hear some criticism/thoughts on my alternate line.
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06-30-2010 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 22GB
is a call standarD?
This deep, for sure. You can set-mine, and bluffing opportunities may arise.
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