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08-31-2009 , 04:21 PM

nsoshnikov

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Moron has been running 33/0, 6 hands. Is this a 3 bet or a shove? If 3-bet, how much?

Full Tilt Poker $5 + 0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG+1: t1425 M = 31.67
Hero (UTG+2): t1455 M = 32.33
MP1: t1755 M = 39
MP2: t1320 M = 29.33
CO: t1605 M = 35.67
BTN: t1395 M = 31
SB: t1545 M = 34.33
BB: t1500 M = 33.33
UTG: t1500 M = 33.33

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG+2 with A

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t90, Hero???

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08-31-2009 , 04:24 PM

TheWizardOfOddz

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i flat this usually,but if i raise i would shove

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08-31-2009 , 04:25 PM

nsoshnikov

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Why is a flat a better option? If we flat, at these levels, we would attract more donkeys with KJ, QJ, etc. I don't like the idea of flatting in EP.

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08-31-2009 , 06:35 PM

Ronesty

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The problem with the 3bet is that if he calls you've already got a quarter of your stack in there, hitting 1/3 flops. Most donks who raise utg with stuff like QJ won't fold to a 3bet anyway. I don't like flatting utg+2 because it invites callers behind you, too... so I'm gonna go with shove.

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08-31-2009 , 06:44 PM

Ronny Mahoni

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Standard call. While shoving probably is profitable against a drooler, calling will be waay more profitable. We also dont really mind other callers, as we basically play fit or fold, and if we hit we pretty much just bet/bet/bet cause these guys love to call down with Ax and Kx.

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08-31-2009 , 08:12 PM

Doublez-Down

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Agree with Ronny.

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09-01-2009 , 08:24 AM

puraghar

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What would you do if UTG+1 shoves over the top of a 3-bet.

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09-01-2009 , 08:33 AM

michty6

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Ronny + Puraghar = Why flatting is better

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09-01-2009 , 08:38 AM

puraghar

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I would like to know what the standard play would be if he did shove after we made a 3 bet? reminding everyone that he is 33/0 after 6 hands

I hate AK spots in early position and this early on in the game and my action is usually erratic.

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09-01-2009 , 08:43 AM

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Fissshhhhh

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why are we shoving when so deep to win a couple of BBs?

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09-01-2009 , 09:08 AM

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puraghar

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suppose you played it incorrectly (due to any reason) and 3Bet and got shoved upon, would it be a fold then or do you call?

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09-01-2009 , 10:13 AM

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Filipuzis

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I prefer the fold in this case ^^^^^^.

If he shove on my 3bet I just let it go.

Don't wanto to risk the hole stack now.

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09-01-2009 , 05:00 PM

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jct

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What did he do to give you your read that he's a moron after six hands?

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09-01-2009 , 05:34 PM

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nsoshnikov

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Originally Posted by jct

What did he do to give you your read that he's a moron after six hands?

Because he is a moron, based on the way he plays.

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09-01-2009 , 09:52 PM

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Holdem72

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This is a call for me.

As for the 33/0 over 6 hands ...... really, 6 hands? We're calling him a moron based on putting money in the pot on 2 of 6 hands? As UTG+1 here he likely played his 2 hands with either position or from the blinds and is only down 75 chips, 45 of which were blinds anyway, so where is the moron read?

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09-02-2009 , 11:03 AM

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Ketelsen

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Super standard call

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