Just played this hand and was really early on the table so barley any reads. I decide to flat the 4b to keep worse hands in and get value post. i figure his 4b range is like aq/10 10 minimum but if i 5b im only getting called / getting it in against AK / AA / KK this deep and pre ante

On the flop I check back to get value from his smaller pairs and AK on later streets, I'm only a little but not really worried he could be nutted with JJ / AA so i have that in mind. In my mind at the time id be expecting him to cbet queens kings or ace ... AK sometimes and checking AK and JJ sometimes so I thought a check behind was good for pot control + to get value from AK or worse later

Main question i have for the hand is do you think i lost to much value 200bb deep ? I guess i should have bet more on the river but I thought his range was AK heavy and so bet smaller to get hero called

edit : sorry we aren't 200 bb deep the blinds must of just gone up zzzz. We were 120BB**


PokerStars - $5+$0.50|20/40 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 4,311 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BB: 7,271 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 5,289 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG+1: 5,974 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (UTG+2): 5,950
MP: 7,029 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
MP+1: 14,550 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: 7,455 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BTN: 2,455 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 20, BB posts BB 40

Pre Flop: (pot: 60) Hero has K K

UTG raises to 100, fold, Hero raises to 280, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to 622, Hero calls 342

Flop: (1,304, 2 players) J 4 4
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (1,304, 2 players) 5
UTG bets 638, Hero calls 638

River: (2,580, 2 players) 6
UTG checks, Hero bets 900, UTG calls 900

Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Fours) (Pre 82%, Flop 88%, Turn 77%)
UTG mucks Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fours) (Pre 18%, Flop 12%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins 4,380

Few things :

1) I think QQ, JJ will often get it in pre. It's player dependent but preflop villain is showing he really likes his hand. Players don't often have a 4bet fold range and KK plays well against the general range players at this stake will go all in with.

2) I'm fine with flatting pre for the reasons you stated. But our plan should be to get three streets of value and get stacks in by the river. Obviously we may have to slow down if an A flops. We should be betting this flop to get value against his range and also be building the pot. Players will float AK often so we get value from that part of his range and we are always getting it in vs QQ or a big club draw so let's bet to build the pot for future streets or better yet to get check raised and get it in now.

In this sp

seems fine, just bet more otr to look more bluffy.

Yea, I would also like to see a bigger sizing otr.

i am 4 betting pre 1300. i think V can be 3 betting you with LOTS of hands that arent AA.

when V checks flop I am betting for value. you will get action from AK AQ QQ TT 99.

calling turn is fine.

river i am probably betting closer to 1300.

V 4bet, hero 3bet... I think not betting this flop makes not 5betting pre fairly bad. Turn is a little scary, but not folding to really any bet I can think of.

I think we lost about 3k of value pre by not 5bet gii in a 5$ tourney.

I like the idea vs a known decent TAG player. but most players aren't gonna drop Queens pre, or even Jacks Tens and AK alot of the time at the micros.

Until we have reads that they are otherwise, we're playing against 'most players'. So yeah, defo gonna 5bet to try and induce a jam, maybe around 1500, that way if he flats there'll be at least 3k in the pot on otf and we should be able to get his stack in easilly enough, although I think it's irrelevant as if a player 4bets this early in a 5$ game they are usually telling you they are happy to get it in the middle pre.

Well we definitely need to go more otr. Am I crazy for wanting to shove?

His line looks exactly what he had - queens or some weak KJ or QJ or some bizarre ace high. In fact I put him on exactly qq before I saw the spoil. Would he xc bc xc with AA or JJ here? No - he'd have to be really bad - but these games have really bad players. If he's badenough to play a value hand that way he's bad enough to call off a shove with QQ or a J. I just don't put him on anything that beats us.

I don't think shoving this deep is really a good idea with an over pair but its pretty darn tempting especially since its a rebuy - I must say ....

Your line is fine, don´t get me wrong, but it´s a 5$ mtt rebuy, so i´ll either 5bet to 1456 or tank for 10-15 seconds and shove and hope he calls with TT-QQ,AK. You want to get a big stack early on
As played, i´ll bet bigger (50-60% of pot)

lol I put him on QQ too

I'd 5bet pre , i'm gunna get as much chips as i possibly can in the middle with KK


as played i'd be getting 3 streets of value with a non A card on board.


nh