Unknown semi/loose player. Passive or agressive - didn't know. Trn was running for about 2 hrs

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NL Holdem $200(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($11,806)
BB ($5,926)
UTG ($6,999)
Hero ($25,423)
UTG+2 ($12,134)
MP1 ($22,987)
MP2 ($7,531)
CO ($21,657)
BTN ($73,318)

Dealt to Hero J K

fold, Hero raises to $600, fold, MP1 calls $600, fold, CO calls $600, BTN calls $600, fold, BB calls $400

FLOP ($3,325) 4 6 J

BB checks, Hero bets $2,500, MP1 calls $2,500, CO folds, BTN folds, BB folds

TURN ($8,325) 4 6 J 3

Hero bets $4,200, MP1 calls $4,200

RIVER ($16,725) 4 6 J 3 T

Hero checks, MP1 bets $12,543, Hero folds



I guess his spoiled hand was the lowest, he can bet with. I guess we shouldn't call those bets since we still hve about 71 bb, we can be dominated by smth like sets, 2p, flushes and TPTK. Even if he is fishie, i didn't see him betting his 2nd pair or TPLK like this, sure he will, but usually i guess we are about 1/4 or even 1/5 times ahead. So, ye, we have huge stck after fold, but we won't if we call, usually we are behind, so we fold. Was that O.K.? And btw - maybe i should bet less flop (but there are so many plrs see this board) - and what about turn?

Thx

>125bb eff so I'm probably just folding pre tbh. I don't really want to play this oop

hmm.

Your opponent played his hand terribly. He turned a hand with showdown value into a bluff. His river bet is -EV.

Trouble hand in awful position and a lot of chips to lose, you have to fold this preflop.

As played, I really don't think checking the flop is so bad in a family pot.

As played, if we're going to bet the flop, that size knocks out too many hands we beat that have showdown value. 2100-2500 is better as a bet size.

I'm assuming you're betting with the intention of folding to a raise on the turn? This goes back to playing this hand out of position, though. Everything after the flop in this hand is just clicking buttons and there aren't very good answers to get on how to play the hand.

As played, the river is good, I guess, but everything leading up to this started with self-defeating hand selection. His shove is dumb.

As played river fold is fine.

didn't we bet 2500? just because 5-way pot, FD possibilities, straight possibilities

About folding pre - that's a good answer, we have 100 bb eff stck and we are oop, that's ok folding in that situation. opening KJo would be slightly better, but usually our variance will be bigger. thanks guys

It's 127bb effective, to be exact, because at the time we raise we don't know that BTN is going to fold.

I would fold pre OOP and with that much chips you dont need to risk it.

I'd fold pre without antes in play; with antes I'd probably open depending on the dynamic at the table.

I would have sized my bets smaller, but whatever. Looks fine as played.

I typed it wrong. I meant 2100-2200 and to add that 2500 is the absolute max. You're right, though, the amount of people in the pot justifies the bet size.